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Does luck exist in chess?

Does luck exist in chess?

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Originally posted by Varenka
Do you think luck exists in chess?

I guess that this largely depends on what you define to be luck. I personally think of luck in terms of elements outwith any of the players' control, e.g. the roll of a dice or how the cards are dealt in other games.

So, for me, chess has no luck involved. But I do acknowledge that a lot of players, including GMs, will say "I was lucky", etc. I wonder how they define luck in chess?!

Thoughts?
You can always create your own "luck"
Take it from me, a seasoned bullet player, swindles, bluffs, missed tactics, and just moving fast can help your "luck"
Playing in a slow game, otb, you can always stare at your opponent in a hostile way, or if your a "well developed" woman, with a dress cut in the right places, your male opponent, (who rarely gets any) might stumble, as he is very distracted.
Over the internet, like in CC chess, might be harder to make your own luck.
Making strong moves, always seems to be the best way to help your opponent lose concentrations, or blunder, and then, thus you get lucky...😉

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I play a fair amount of poker where the luck element is massive, skill does help but in the main you have to be lucky to win, something that does tend to rile me. That's why I love chess so much, I don't believe that luck is rare and when I win I don't think I've been lucky, it's normally down to a couple of good plays, and vice-versa, when I've lost it is usually because I have been outplayed. I can't ever recall opening up a game to see my opponents next move and thinking to myself "you lucky sod!", unlike in cards when you get outdrawn, lose a big pot and end up uttering something a tad more unholy.

There have been occasions however when I think I may have had a slice of luck, and it is usually when I think to myself "it's lucky that piece was there". A piece I had moved earlier in the game inadvertently became the crux in my defence or attack. At the same time one is always looking for positional play so in the first place you are trying to place your pieces where you may need them most later in the game, sometimes you just get lucky with a positional play.

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Originally posted by Wulebgr
It was her practical application of the information that made my game more difficult. I had to struggle against my opponent, and against the forces of darkness.
A man cannot order the forces of darkness. Do not fear the devil. Fear Him who when He has killed can cast into hell. Really you had nothing to be concerned about? Keep your King safe and your Queen active.

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Originally posted by gambit3
A man cannot order the forces of darkness. Do not fear the devil. Fear Him who when He has killed can cast into hell. Really you had nothing to be concerned about? Keep your King safe and your Queen active.
The man's wife was not a man, and she was not giving orders, merely channeling forces already present. Learn something about witchcraft before offering senseless pronouncements, and keep your religious propaganda in the Spirituality forum where it belongs.

(P.S. Do you believe I was serious?)

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I dont thinkuck has anything to do with chess. its just your style of play n how u defend your pieces an how you attk. to some extent there is luck in the way your opponent may be dum but that is a chance you have in 1 in a 100.

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Originally posted by Nordlys
I guess we see luck or bad luck differently. For me, being unlucky doesn't exclude the possibility that there's someone to blame. To me, "you were unlucky" is not an explanation, it's just a statement. If I had been on a different airplane, I wouldn't have been injured, so being on that specific airplane was bad luck. If airplanes would crash all the time, I ...[text shortened]... t about causes (as long as the cause is out of my control), but rather about likelihood.
Even natural disasters are not luck, as something in nature caused them to happen. If we knew where to look, natural disasters would be very predictable.

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If luck didn't exist, I'm afraid I wouldn't win a game.🙄

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Luck is preparation and meeting opportunity head on.

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I think you can call something 'luck' in chess if
both players have a difficult position and both are wondering what will be the result
and when something finally is played it later turns out to be in the advantage of one.

(this would mean low rated players play maybe 50% of their moves luck-based because the don't calculate and judge a postion to be difficult+unpredictable much more often then someone with a lot of theoretical knowledge)

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Originally posted by TheGambit
I play a fair amount of poker where the luck element is massive, skill does help but in the main you have to be lucky to win, something that does tend to rile me.
Luck exists in poker only within individual games, or individual series of 100s of games.

Over the course of 1000s of games, the luck element in poker is close to 0%. How one deals with losing the individual games by getting outdrawn etc, is all part of the skill.

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Originally posted by Varenka
Do you think luck exists in chess?

I guess that this largely depends on what you define to be luck. I personally think of luck in terms of elements outwith any of the players' control, e.g. the roll of a dice or how the cards are dealt in other games.

So, for me, chess has no luck involved. But I do acknowledge that a lot of players, including GMs, will say "I was lucky", etc. I wonder how they define luck in chess?!

Thoughts?
Yes. Luck does exist in chess. You may catch your opponent one day after he hit his last crack rock.

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Yay i revived my first dead thread!

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Originally posted by LanndonKane
Yay i revived my first dead thread!

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Originally posted by Varenka
Do you think luck exists in chess?

I guess that this largely depends on what you define to be luck. I personally think of luck in terms of elements outwith any of the players' control, e.g. the roll of a dice or how the cards are dealt in other games.

So, for me, chess has no luck involved. But I do acknowledge that a lot of players, including GMs, will say "I was lucky", etc. I wonder how they define luck in chess?!

Thoughts?
Only when I lose! 😀

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Was it the Fritz talk CD that would say - "I was lucky but you need to create your own luck"? Although this was done jokingly better players "extract" better positions not by luck but by skill.

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