24 May 06
Originally posted by JimbobThe game is really over when a) someone's been checkmated b) a draw has been decared or c) someone has resigned. One cannot resign when a game is really over. It's impossible.
The point is still being missed. I think Red (and I) are talking about when a game is really over - opponent down several pieces and no chance of winning unless there is a SERIOUS blunder - then the moves go down to one every couple of days. Yes, they have every right to keep playing, but all I'm saying is that it can be frustrating. And no, I'm not here to p ...[text shortened]... ..
oops, posted this before I refreshed the page - didn't see all the new comments......
24 May 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungThe other reason is the same reason Greg Norman doesn't watch tape of himself throwing away the Masters on the back nine at Augusta.
Yes; they know it's lost in the face of good opposition and they know their opposition is good. On this site you can't necessarily assume either. These players don't resign out of etiquette; they resign because there is nothing in it for them to continue.
They don't want to watch themselves lose!
And that is the point many of you are missing. You don't only owe it to your opponent to resign a lost position, you owe it to yourself as well!
This is a linked obligation.
It has to do with positive visualization, mutual respect for yourself and others, and the worthwhile expenditure of energy.
24 May 06
Originally posted by Red NightI am supposed to resign because I my ego is too weak to see myself lose? Please.
The other reason is the same reason Greg Norman doesn't watch tape of himself throwing away the Masters on the back nine at Augusta.
They don't want to watch themselves lose!
And that is the point many of you are missing. You don't only owe it to your opponent to resign a lost position, you owe it to yourself as well!
This is a linked obligation.
...[text shortened]... ualization, mutual respect for yourself and others, and the worthwhile expenditure of energy.
25 May 06
Originally posted by AThousandYoungEveryone has a fragile ego.
I am supposed to resign because I my ego is too weak to see myself lose? Please.
Particularly chess players.
And yes, one of the reasons you should resign a lost game, is to protect your ego.
Have you ever noticed that blunders come in bunches?
It's a Lemony Snicket: A Series of Unfortunate Events.
Suppose you hang a Knight to me on move 4. You may want to resign.
You don't and then you hang another Knight on move 8, You probably should resign.
You don't and you hang a Bishop on move 14.
You have now done yourself three times the damage.
How well are you going to play in your next game?
I'll tell you, you'll play tenative and you'll lose again.
This is valuable chess and life advice. Take it or not.
25 May 06
This isn't even worth discussing anymore. If you continue to play while your opponent queens all of his pawns, then you are wasting your time. If you are down material, but have compensation, then you better continue. Otherwise, it doesn't matter, because rude or not people will make their own decisions and act them out.
25 May 06
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Originally posted by Red NightWell, thanks for your concern. I can handle losing chess games.
Everyone has a fragile ego.
Particularly chess players.
And yes, one of the reasons you should resign a lost game, is to protect your ego.
Have you ever noticed that blunders come in bunches?
It's a Lemony Snicket: A Series of Unfortunate Events.
Suppose you hang a Knight to me on move 4. You may want to resign.
You don't and then you ha enative and you'll lose again.
This is valuable chess and life advice. Take it or not.
Wait; a resignation is a loss too. So how can a resignation be better for one's ego than any other loss?
26 May 06
Originally posted by Red NightSo you are just watching out for the best interest of others?
And that is the point many of you are missing. You don't only owe it to your opponent to resign a lost position, you owe it to yourself as well!
This is a linked obligation.
It has to do with positive visualization, mutual respect for yourself and others, and the worthwhile expenditure of energy.
"Really, judge, it was in the best interest of that man to hand me all his money that night in the alley, just think of what a better person he is for being so generous!"
Seriously, though, I would thin that each person can decide whether to respect himself, and anybody who would not respect himself because you said he shouldn't, has no self respect in the first place.
26 May 06
Originally posted by HeideggerAnd then there was that game in the 1908 San Franscisco Open. Somebody was down two rooks and a Queen and then this earthquake happened...
Have you ever heard of the 1962 Russian team championship game where somebody traded a queen for a bishop early in the game with no immediate compensation and won? That's why resigning is a gray area.
26 May 06
Originally posted by dpressnellRead the whole thread.
So you are just watching out for the best interest of others?
"Really, judge, it was in the best interest of that man to hand me all his money that night in the alley, just think of what a better person he is for being so generous!"
Seriously, though, I would thin that each person can decide whether to respect himself, and anybody who would not respect himself because you said he shouldn't, has no self respect in the first place.