PetC7 and I are going to be posting an unrated game here that we're annotating as we play.
Game 632841
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http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/showthread.php?id=13422
I'm gonna post the first move and comment after this post, and then PetC7 will join in when he (or she) gets a chance.
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2. Nf3
Do you have an opening book? These are not the same but might be helpful. Other players here at RHP recommended them: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/explorer
http://chesslab.com/PositionSearch.html
With Nf3 white develops its knight and attacks, and prepares to castle. Black's answering ...Nc6 does the same.
3. ... Bc5
If I'd play the Two Knigths' Defense, it seems to me that I would run into trouble after you play Ng5. This would cause a fork threat which I think I can't avoid and I would certainly loose my rook (or am I overlooking something?). Therefore I play Bc5 (developing my bisshop), while my queen guards g5. So far, there is no plan of attack existing. I'm only trying to defend, and consider all possible attack routes.
Originally posted by PetC7After 4 Ng5 You can play 4 ...... d5 in the Two Knights and avoid the loss of a rook; however, you will lose a pawn after 5 exd5 Na5, etc. White does get thrown of the defensive, however, and some Black players think that's worth a pawn (I don't). White can also play the Max Lange which is 4 d4 which usually leads to a complicated mess, but it's kind of fun (I've got one going in one of my games). All in all after the moves so far, 3 ..... Bc5 is the safest and most popular.
[b]3. ... Bc5
If I'd play the Two Knigths' Defense, it seems to me that I would run into trouble after you play Ng5. This would cause a fork threat which I think I can't avoid and I would certainly loose my rook (or am I overlooking something?). Therefore I play Bc5 (developing my bisshop), while my queen guards g5. So far, there is no plan of attack existing. I'm only trying to defend, and consider all possible attack routes.[/b]
You would not necessarily have to lose a pawn after 4...d5, 5. exd5-- you can retake on d5 with the knight.
However, doing so allows white to sacrifice his knight for a pawn on f7 and create a dangerous attack called the "Fried Liver" or "fegatello": after Nxf7 and Kxf7, white moves Qf3+ and black's king is flushed out of hiding and is very vulnerable (Ke6 is the only good response to the check). Still, I think this situation is far from a death sentence for black-- it just requires careful play.
Another option after 4. Ng5 in the Two Knights is 4....Bc5. This is the Traxler counterattack, aka the Wilkes-Barre, and it can lead to a very tactical game. If white goes ahead with the knight fork after this he is liable to run into problems. I've never really played this (only once on this site, in a game that's going on currently) but it is another possible response to 4. Ng5 if you don't want to enter the Fried Liver and you don't want to give up the pawn with Na5.
Originally posted by jgvaccaro4...Na5 does not look like a great idea. What about 5.Bxf7?
You would not necessarily have to lose a pawn after 4...d5, 5. exd5-- you can retake on d5 with the knight.
However, doing so allows white to sacrifice his knight for a pawn on f7 and create a dangerous attack called the "Fried Liver" or "fegatello": after Nxf7 and Kxf7, white moves Qf3+ and black's king is flushed out of hiding and is very vulne ...[text shortened]... g5 if you don't want to enter the Fried Liver and you don't want to give up the pawn with Na5.
But 4...d5 gives a good activity for the pawn. And Traxler is fun:-)
Originally posted by TovMauzer5. ... Na5 is not the only possibility for black. Look at this variation which is fun to play (for both sides) because of its tactical possibilities:
But you will be pawn down after d5, exd5, Na5, Bb5, c6😀 Although with good compensation for it (in my view).
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 d5 6.exd5 Nd4!
Many white players can't resist 7.d6 Qxd6 8.Bxf7+ (after Nxf7? Qc6 is very strong) Ke7 and threatening h6. Probably 9.Bb3 is the better move. Anyway, this is another position where black has compensation in terms of development and tactical threats for a pawn.