19 Jun 08
Originally posted by 1b3I care and so do many other Players cheating is disgraceful/dishonorable it harms the art and it poisons good will trust and sportsmanship among Players.
Why are people so obsessed with cheaters? who cares if they cheat.
It's not like we are at the World open here people.
This site and others like it, is designed to improve your chess.
Worry about improving. And so what if one game out of your 30 is an engine user.
Cheating has nothing to do with improvement but everything to do with ego and arrogance.
19 Jun 08
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Originally posted by Mad RookI care , their presence does not actually bother me, this is the point i was making, they cannot do harm to anyone but themselves, if you play against a cheat/engine you can only get stronger!
The goal isn't to psychoanalyze the cheaters to find out what makes them tick - The goal is to stop the cheaters from playing here. Who cares why they do it? It's enough that they choose to cheat.
19 Jun 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobieJust add to your profile that you won't report any cheaters, but instead you'll try to rehabilitate them. I suspect you won't have any problem getting games. 😵
I care , perhaps they can be rehabilitated, to learn the errors of their ways and to mend themselves.
19 Jun 08
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Originally posted by Mad Rookno problemo, i won't , I really coudn't care less, however i cannot spoil my profile, its rather poetic dont you think!
Just add to your profile that you won't report any cheaters, but instead you'll try to rehabilitate them. I suspect you won't have any problem getting games. 😵
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20 Jun 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis isnt true, if you play several games against an engine and someone else plays several games against a stronger player, the one who played against the real chess player would have learnt more to be honest.
I care , their presence does not actually bother me, this is the point i was making, they cannot do harm to anyone but themselves, if you play against a cheat/engine you can only get stronger!
20 Jun 08
Originally posted by Bedlamsorry but I am not sure I understand what you are saying, ones own honesty and integrity is kept regardless of whether you play a real chess player or an engine, is it not?
This isnt true, if you play several games against an engine and someone else plays several games against a stronger player, the one who played against the real chess player would have learnt more to be honest.
20 Jun 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI think he meant:
sorry but I am not sure I understand what you are saying, ones own honesty and integrity is kept regardless of whether you play a real chess player or an engine, is it not?
the one who played against the real chess player would have learnt more, (to be honest)
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20 Jun 08
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Originally posted by Varenkaok, so his reference was not actually towards getting stronger as in playing strength, but in becoming stronger as a person, i.e. more honest, anyhow, retrospectively i don't know if what i said is true, why would playing against an engine make one stronger, (definition, as in playing strength) .?
I think he meant:
the one who played against the real chess player would have learnt more, (to be honest)
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20 Jun 08
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt is getting stronger in playing strength, playing humans and not computers.
ok, so his reference was not actually towards getting stronger as in playing strength, but in becoming stronger as a person, i.e. more honest, anyhow, retrospectively i don't know if what i said is true, why would playing against an engine make one stronger, (definition, as in playing strength) .?
When I study endgames I used to set them up against fritz and try to win won positions. Fritz made bloody stupid moves a lot of the time, for example exhanging pieces when in a losing position because according to fritz giving up that piece makes it position +0.20 better than it was but it makes the humans job of winning the won position much easier. A strong human would keep the pieces on the table and try to keep the game complex knowning thats where the best chances lie.
20 Jun 08
Originally posted by BedlamI don't know if it's been fixed in Fritz 11, but earlier versions were constantly giving large numerical advantages to a side with a pawn up in an opposite colored bishop ending that any experienced player could tell was a dead draw.
It is getting stronger in playing strength, playing humans and not computers.
When I study endgames I used to set them up against fritz and try to win won positions. Fritz made bloody stupid moves a lot of the time, for example exhanging pieces when in a losing position because according to fritz giving up that piece makes it position +0.20 better than ...[text shortened]... pieces on the table and try to keep the game complex knowning thats where the best chances lie.
20 Jun 08
Originally posted by Bedlamyes ok, now i understand, yes computers make moves that are almost unfathomable from a human standpoint.
It is getting stronger in playing strength, playing humans and not computers.
When I study endgames I used to set them up against fritz and try to win won positions. Fritz made bloody stupid moves a lot of the time, for example exhanging pieces when in a losing position because according to fritz giving up that piece makes it position +0.20 better than ...[text shortened]... pieces on the table and try to keep the game complex knowning thats where the best chances lie.