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24 Dec 07
30 Dec 07
Originally posted by TacticalStrategyThis is an unprecedented gesture on your part, and I applaud you. None of us knows what happened, but it does appear the accept draw may have been hit, life goes on. It reminds me of an evening at a pub when a friend of mine made multiple accusations of theft of his coat to various nearby patrons. Then upon arriving at home discovered his coat was there, he had not brought it to the pub.
This game was not actually for the match point, it was just to progress to the next round.
You MUST have clicked "Accept Draw".
However, if it makes you feel better and the admins can be bothered, I am happy to concede the game.
I just play for fun, not for points.
30 Dec 07
Originally posted by adramforallI HAVE NEVER ACCEPTED the draw. That is what I am saying so I did not make the error. THEY DID. How would I know why they picked on me?? You will have to ask them what they have to gain out of this.
Have you ever thought that admin have reviewed the position and found that you accepted the draw so have concluded you made an error and are now trying to blame the site?
Why do you think the admins have suddenly started to pick on you and allegedly ended one of you games as a draw? What would they gain from doing this?
Ranting and raving at them ...[text shortened]... stupid you were.
Time for you to pick up your toys, put them back in the pram and move on.
What else can I do when they are at fault?? Like I said, I NEVER ACCEPTED the draw!!
30 Dec 07
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Originally posted by TacticalStrategyI play to win, not lose or draw. Tell the admins and mods that then.
This game was not actually for the match point, it was just to progress to the next round.
You MUST have clicked "Accept Draw".
However, if it makes you feel better and the admins can be bothered, I am happy to concede the game.
I just play for fun, not for points.
30 Dec 07
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Originally posted by vietasianfox45You must have accepted a draw offer.
I noticed that my thread about RHP being liars was deleted by the site!! So, I am placing it here now. SERIOUS REPLIES ONLY!!
What do you do when the site forced a result in your game when you are told that the site never forces results in games?? Who do you complain to?? Here is the game that was a forced draw with TacticalStrategy by the admins!!
Game 4238648
I still feel that I can win this game!! Please HELP!!
... but stop whinning about it as the game is a certain draw even if the B is sacrificed for the last pawn.
Take this position which could quite easily have come about in your game where the B has been given up immediately.
After 1. ... Rf1+ the game is drawn.
2. Rf5 .. RXR;
3. KXR and I'd like to see you demonstrate a winning position with a single B, let alone a forced one.
After 2. Bf5 .. Rg1 is probably the easiest drawing line;
3. Rd2 (threatening mate) .. Rg6+ (Rg5 also works);
4. Kf7 (BXP= stalemate) .. Rg1 and black cannot make progress.
If black struggles to see the stalemate in this line he could wait a bit and sacrifice the B for the pawn on f8 when it Queens with a very easy draw.
So as you can see such end games are virtually certain draws after the B is sacrificed at the appropriate time for the last pawn. Put the pieces virtually anywhere else on the board and the result would be the same. Only in a few exceptional cases would the R&B win but you can research those for yourself as the whinging basis of this thread is not worthy of that sort of clarification.
30 Dec 07
Originally posted by vietasianfox45As I have demonstrated above a R & B vs R end game is a virtual certain draw. The extra piece in these circumstances is worth nothing.
I was going over the game and I can still win the game!! If the moves are played correctly, he would be forced to give up his bishop for my pawn, giving me a piece extra, which will eventually allow me to win the game!!
30 Dec 07
Let me quote rule 9.6 in FIDE's official rules:
"9.6 - The game is drawn when a position is reached from which a checkmate cannot occur by any possible series of legal moves, even with the most unskilled play. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing this position was legal."
If we look at last position of the game of vietasianfox45. It has following pieces left: King+Rook+Bishop+Pawn vs King+Rook+Bishop.
Who can say that this position cannot be won by either player with the most unskilled play by the other player?
This is not, I repeat: Not!, a forced draw!
If RHP has ended this game as a technical draw RHP has done wrong. It's not a draw according to FIDE's rules.
If RHP has not forced this draw, then one of the players has offered a draw and the other player has accepted.
(Sorry if this has been said before, I haven't read the entire thread...)
30 Dec 07
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Originally posted by FabianFnasI agree the position is not a forced draw but with correct play it is a draw and if the draw was offered and accepted then drawn it is, so no whinging is called for.
Let me quote rule 9.6 in FIDE's official rules:
"9.6 - The game is drawn when a position is reached from which a checkmate cannot occur by any possible series of legal moves, even with the most unskilled play. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing this position was legal."
If we look at last position of the game of vietasian has accepted.
(Sorry if this has been said before, I haven't read the entire thread...)
There is certainly not a forced win here for white. The game will only be won if the other side blunders and as either side could blunder a draw is not an unacceptable result. Black may not find the simple draw by giving up the B immediately but it is highly likely that sooner or later he will give up the B for the P and a draw occur.
Try as I might I can see no way for white to make progress here. The cheapo try after say -
1. ... Rh2;
2. Rd8 (is met by) Kg5 and now what? The f pawn must be protected or a check given so
3. Rd5+ .. Kf4;
Now 4. Kg7 (when the pawn is pinned) is no good so ...
4. Ke7 .. Re2+;
5. Kf6 (or the pawn falls). ... etc.
At any time black could play BXP for the draw.
31 Dec 07
Originally posted by Dragon FireLIke I said, WHY would I block with the rook when I have the BISHOP to block??!! Read my reply when someone asked me that question already!! Of course, I would NOt BLOCK WITH THE ROOK!! Some people can't read my replies to questions that have been asked. Read all my replies before asking the same question again!!
You must have accepted a draw offer.
... but stop whinning about it as the game is a certain draw even if the B is sacrificed for the last pawn.
Take this position which could quite easily have come about in your game where the B has been given up immediately.
[fen]8/8/5KBk/3R4/8/8/8/7r[/fen]
After 1. ... Rf1+ the game is drawn.
2. Rf5 .. RX ...[text shortened]... for yourself as the whinging basis of this thread is not worthy of that sort of clarification.
31 Dec 07
Originally posted by FabianFnasYes, I know it is not a forced draw, but RHP FORCED A DRAW in MY game!! I never accept draws if I know I can still win the game!! If you read Lubernik's reply, you would know that. I would NEVER accept draws nor offer draws, PERIOD!! I will make an exception that if it is a forced draw, I would offer draws, but only then. Other than that, I will never offer draws or accept them, especially if I believe I can still win the game.
Let me quote rule 9.6 in FIDE's official rules:
"9.6 - The game is drawn when a position is reached from which a checkmate cannot occur by any possible series of legal moves, even with the most unskilled play. This immediately ends the game, provided that the move producing this position was legal."
If we look at last position of the game of vietasian ...[text shortened]... has accepted.
(Sorry if this has been said before, I haven't read the entire thread...)
31 Dec 07
Originally posted by vietasianfox45Why don't you read my posting in full.
LIke I said, WHY would I block with the rook when I have the BISHOP to block??!! Read my reply when someone asked me that question already!! Of course, I would NOt BLOCK WITH THE ROOK!! Some people can't read my replies to questions that have been asked. Read all my replies before asking the same question again!!
If you did you would see that I gave lines if you blocked with the Rook and if you blocked with the B, both of which are easy draws.