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move along, just needed a place to write this link...

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Hey that's me!!!

And what a great game... that ih8sens guy must be a genius.

Oh and no comments eh - in progress.

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Originally posted by ih8sens
Hey that's me!!!

And what a great game... that ih8sens guy must be a genius.

Oh and no comments eh - in progress.
not in progress anymore...so I have to ask why ...Qf6+?? and not ...Qb6+!...?

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Last time I checked, I thought black was supposed to take on d6 with the queen. At least that's what Jan Pinski said in his book.

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Originally posted by !~TONY~!
Last time I checked, I thought black was supposed to take on d6 with the queen. At least that's what Jan Pinski said in his book.
what move number would this occur at?

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What was wrong with just playing d5 and stopping the whole attack on the f7 pawn to begin with?

If there is a refutation to 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5....someone please show it to me!

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( who notes this game was lost from that one move! )

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Originally posted by nmdavidb
What was wrong with just playing d5 and stopping the whole attack on the f7 pawn to begin with?

If there is a refutation to 1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4. Ng5 d5....someone please show it to me!

Dave

( who notes this game was lost from that one move! )
what about exd5 ...Nxd5 Qf3

EDIT: I am not saying that d5 is refuted here I am just saying that the Attack on f7 is still there.

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Originally posted by tomtom232
what about exd5 ...Nxd5 Qf3

EDIT: I am not saying that d5 is refuted here I am just saying that the Attack on f7 is still there.
Because you don't take back on d5...Nd4!

Look at it again

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Originally posted by tomtom232
what move number would this occur at?
That would be 9..Qxd6. Pinski gives:

9..Qxd6 10. Nf7 Qc5 11. d3 e4? (Bg4) 12. c3? (b4) Bh4! 13. Be3 Bg4 14. Qa4+ Bd7 15. Nd6+ cxd6 16. Bf7+ Kxf7 17. Qxd4 Qf5+ etc...and black eventually won, but apparently it's unclear.

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Originally posted by nmdavidb
Because you don't take back on d5...Nd4!

Look at it again

Dave
but then white has moves like d6, c3, and just a normal developing move like Nc3 would be fine.

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The Traxler is unsound!

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Originally posted by !~TONY~!
That would be 9..Qxd6. Pinski gives:

9..Qxd6 10. Nf7 Qc5 11. d3 e4? (Bg4) 12. c3? (b4) Bh4! 13. Be3 Bg4 14. Qa4+ Bd7 15. Nd6+ cxd6 16. Bf7+ Kxf7 17. Qxd4 Qf5+ etc...and black eventually won, but apparently it's unclear.
yeah that makes sense...it does look better than cxd6

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Originally posted by Dutch Defense
The Traxler is unsound!
I will play you one...I will have an opening in a little more than 2 hours. I will play as black of course.

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Originally posted by tomtom232
not in progress anymore...so I have to ask why ...Qf6+?? and not ...Qb6+!...?
It was actually a mental block. I had the drawing line all written out and then I clicked submit a little too fast.

I haven't annotated this game due to several other novelties in the Traxler that I'm working on. I'm trying to find the best line (which I think I now have) for white... something that saves the day 😛.

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Originally posted by rubberjaw30
Game 4220803

move along, just needed a place to write this link...
That is so not playable for black!

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