06 Aug 03
Originally posted by iamatigerIt was not intended to be funny.But there is this one computer program that I have been playing constantly and it seems that it has no variation of countermoves. Well it might seem impossible but there are really times when a draw has been agreed just after the first twelve moves because of the implied outcome. It happens but not quite often. Anyway it is just an input that I guess is worth of your laughter. Have fun anyway.By the way I am not an expert.It is just a product of my inquisitve mind. I must admit, I have a weird view of things.
Well, you might be playing yourself. Or playing a non-randomised computer that you have played before. Or have a prior agreed game plan. Or have the opp in a position where he only has 1 move he can legally play.
Are you dead yet?. 🙂
06 Aug 03
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Originally posted by SirLoseALotBut wouldn't you agree that you don't see many of them because most people aren't too keen about somewhat halting the development of the light-squared bishop?
Now that you mention it.Indeed,I have seen only a few french defenses here.Rather strange actually.
-Tim
06 Aug 03
Originally posted by baron1baron,I'm no expert myself.And we were talking human opponents,not computers.But even computers are not predictable up untill the last move.If they were I would never lose against Fritz.And believe me,I do lose!Humans however are very unpredictable.And the cases where they agree a draw on move 12,well,they stop playing,don't they?They think they know what the opponent is going to do.Should they continue play who knows what might happen.It is unpredictable!It is just something tourney players do when they have enough with a draw.Or maybe they're tired or can't improve their standing and just don't bother to play anymore.Rest assured,if both (human)players are willing to go for it,then a game of chess cannot be predicted up untill the last move.
It was not intended to be funny.But there is this one computer program that I have been playing constantly and it seems that it has no variation of countermoves. Well it might seem impossible but there are really times when a draw has been agreed just after the first twelve moves because of the implied outcome. It happens but not quite often. Anyway it is jus ...[text shortened]... expert.It is just a product of my inquisitve mind. I must admit, I have a weird view of things.
06 Aug 03
Originally posted by TimmyToiletWell,for me that would be a reason,yes.But,in fact,it's not a very legitimed reason.The french is one of the most respectable defenses.If it is at all a defense!Some argue it should rather be called the french attack.The problem of the light squared bishop can be solved,it is no reason not to play it.Not that I would know how,but I know it's possible.Besides,can you seriously name one opening that doesn't have a drawback?For either side?Everything has pro's and con's.
But wouldn't you agree that you don't see many of them because most people aren't too keen about somewhat halting the development of the light-squared bishop?
-Tim
07 Aug 03
Originally posted by SirLoseALotWell anyway I did day sometimes......But I once heard Gary K and Anatoly K can predict an opponents move.Maybe against a less talented opponents.Maybe prediction is a talent(another thread?).
Well,for me that would be a reason,yes.But,in fact,it's not a very legitimed reason.The french is one of the most respectable defenses.If it is at all a defense!Some argue it should rather be called the french attack.The problem of the light squared bishop can be solved,it is no reason not to play it.Not that I would know how,but I know it's possible.B ...[text shortened]... name one opening that doesn't have a drawback?For either side?Everything has pro's and con's.
07 Aug 03
Originally posted by baron1They can't.And certainly not against less talented players.If I was to play one of the K's,they would be constantly surprised by my moves.It would be pleasant surprises,but surprises nevertheless.I think you heard just a part of an explanation,or someone informed you wrong.They can predict opening moves if they know what line the opponent always plays.But even then he can always surprise you by playing something different.After the openingstage they can only predict what their opponent is most likely to do.But they can never be sure.Example: K plays 1.e4 I reply Nf6 he then does e5 if you ask him what my next move will be he will say Nd5 'cause I have to,it's the only sensible move,but,I do Ng8.Surprise surprise!It is much like a weatherprediction: 'Tomorrow it is going to rain quite heavily.But when you wake up he played Be1' 😉
Well anyway I did day sometimes......But I once heard Gary K and Anatoly K can predict an opponents move.Maybe against a less talented opponents.Maybe prediction is a talent(another thread?).
ps: No,there's no part missing in that last sentence,it is meant to read just that.
07 Aug 03
Originally posted by SirLoseALotThe rule of thumb in chess is to always assume that your opponent will make the best move available, and plan accordingly. A GM would probably assume that even though he may not be able to guess your move exactly, at least he should understand the principles behind the move. For example, in the scenario of a classical opening, one would at least expect to try and establish some sort of pawn center as well as the development of some minor pieces. Or if you're playing a hypermodern system, trying to rapidly develop pieces to control the center without moving central pawns.
They can't.And certainly not against less talented players.If I was to play one of the K's,they would be constantly surprised by my moves.It would be pleasant surprises,but surprises nevertheless.I think you heard just a part of an explanation,or someone informed you wrong.They can predict opening moves if they know what line the opponent always plays. ...[text shortened]... ' 😉
ps: No,there's no part missing in that last sentence,it is meant to read just that.
If you're making moves solely for the purpose of being unpredictable while not following principles of good chess play, you will likely end up being beaten by someone who makes more traditional moves but understands why he makes them. If you take your example, if after playing 2. e5 Ng8? your opponent played d4 you would likely be at a disadvantage because even though you had made an unexpected move, your opponent moved to control the center (which was likely his intent by opening with e4 to begin with.) While ...Ng8 is a known variation on Alekhine's defense - you could only make good use of it if you understood the principles behind the move, rather than making unexpected moves for their own sake.
-mike