03 Feb 08
Originally posted by THRILLHONobody has mentioned this but ...
Pimp: I was not "whining" as you put it. I was asking if that was proper etiquette in chess.
it's never proper etiquette to tell somebody they should resign. If you can't force it on the board then clearly they have no reason to resign.
03 Feb 08
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Witty, the arbiter of maturity, you can feel free to apologize on my behalf, however, as others have stated thrillo appeared to be whining about his opponent's actions while not accepting his role in this outcome. Even if a player is unaware of perpetual check, or 3-fold repetition they must understand that a different move, or series of moves could have avoided what their opponent is doing that irks them. I think it is in bad form to complain about your opponent's legal moves, remember, he was not questioning the legality. My intent was definitely not to condescend but to be direct in my reply and hopefully end the thread.
03 Feb 08
Originally posted by THRILLHOHe's right. Gaining the advantage in a game is only half the battle. You need to then be able to efficiently use that advantage to put him in check and avoid a stalemate.
Hello my opponent in this game, 4562788, keeps moving back and forth putting me in check in the same two positions. I have the advantage on the board with an additional piece (bishop). I would be able to checkmate him and finish the game, but he won't stop moving back and forth with the check. He offered me a draw, but I didn't take it. I think he shou ...[text shortened]... f in that position. I've had it happen to me hundreds of times."
This seems wrong to me.
03 Feb 08
Originally posted by THRILLHOThis is silly. Your opponent has the option of pressing the 'claim draw' button. If the smae position has been reached three times, that's a draw.
Hello my opponent in this game, 4562788, keeps moving back and forth putting me in check in the same two positions. I have the advantage on the board with an additional piece (bishop). I would be able to checkmate him and finish the game, but he won't stop moving back and forth with the check. He offered me a draw, but I didn't take it. I think he shou ...[text shortened]... f in that position. I've had it happen to me hundreds of times."
This seems wrong to me.
03 Feb 08
Originally posted by THRILLHOit's a fair point but it is within the rules of the game, you cant blame your opponent for going for a draw when a lost is the only other choice; if i know i cant win, i will always look for a draw, it is up to the opponent to stop a draw taking place... sorry, but i dont think you will find any chess player in the world who will give up the draw to lose the game out of respect
Pimp: I was not "whining" as you put it. I was asking if that was proper etiquette in chess. Just a simple question, which was aswered by many others with clear rule descriptions.
Now, what does any of that have to do with feminism and pussification, Pimp? Or, did you just want to add that you are "Manly" and "Don't take no guff from no dame." I l ...[text shortened]... lly load so all the other "Playas" know I'm around.
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03 Feb 08
Originally posted by FlyingDutchmanno, but i have found most experienced players will resign when they know the game is lost, personally, if i was playing a player over 1500 i would resign, i just dont think a player with 1500+ will make a mistake when the game is clearly won
Everyone calm down. He asked a question.
Trill, it is perfectly legal and perpetual check (as you will not doubt have gathered). If you didn't know fine, but it was bad etiquette on [b]your part to ask him to resign.
Never ask your opponent to resign.[/b]
03 Feb 08
Originally posted by eatmybishopMaybe, but that's your choice.
no, but i have found most experienced players will resign when they know the game is lost, personally, if i was playing a player over 1500 i would resign, i just dont think a player with 1500+ will make a mistake when the game is clearly won
I've always been of the opinion that the point of resigning is to avoid wasting your own time - it's nothing to do with your opponent. I'll resign if I'm convinced my opponent knows how to win, there's no real likelihood of a tactical way out, and there's nothing I'm likely to learn from watching them beat me. But if I'm winning, and my opponent wants to play it out, I have no complaints whatsoever.
03 Feb 08
Originally posted by mtthwI agree. Sometimes I resign when I appear to be only slightly worse because I have no play, can generate no chances and know that my opponent probably has the ability to beat me. Playing on is just a long hard depressing struggle and the effort could better be spent on other games where i have a chance.
Maybe, but that's your choice.
I've always been of the opinion that the point of resigning is to avoid wasting your own time - it's nothing to do with your opponent. I'll resign if I'm convinced my opponent knows how to win, there's no real likelihood of a tactical way out, and there's nothing I'm likely to learn from watching them beat me. But if I'm winning, and my opponent wants to play it out, I have no complaints whatsoever.
At other times I may be pawns or even a minor piece down but play on because the position is unbalanced and it is possible to generate chances or because my opponent got lucky (i.e. I made a careless blunder) and I am not convinced he has the ability to beat me.
In the game here the materials was Q, B & 3P vs Q & 2P. Forget the position for the moment and I must say I'd be unlikely to resign that game. As long as the Qs are on a perpetual is always possible and with the Qs off it may be possible to steer the game into a drawn B & P ending especially if there was a RP and wrong coloured B (no so in this game, of course) or even pick up that extra pawn and leave the stronger side unable to win with a sole B.
04 Feb 08
I just read part of this thread and wonder why people have to get so aggressive. Words like 'sore loser' etc etc. To me Thrillo was asking a perfectly valid question around part of the game of chess which he just didnt understand. The answer is simple and straightforward - it is a draw by perpetual check, 100% ethical and part of the beauty of the game. In fact some great players have sacrificed a piece in a lost position just to obtain a draw in this way. Perhaps people like to have a bit of fun in a thread rather than just answer a simple enquiry... and its me who should get out more???