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Originally posted by Gman
what is your point
If you were talking to me (and i'm not sure if you were)....

it was an example to illustrate that corr. ratings are not a good indicator of blitz strength.

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If he was talking to Shinidoki, I agree with Shin...I play on ICC and Playchess and my rating hovers around 1500. Here it's 1800. Otb at Uscf it's 1800, but i haven't played otb in years. I'm not sure why there's a discrepancy. When i lose to a 1300 over at ICC in a ten minute game, i convince myself the guy was using a machine, then when i see how awful my game is, i realize it's my crummy rapid play. So, to make a long story short, i think it would be better if correspondence ratings were kept out of blitz sites. It's humiliating!!

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^ I suppose however it is better than nothing; a 2000 corr. is somewhat unlikely to fall for obvoius (scholar's mate style) traps, even in blitz-like conditions....

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Normally a good player should be "good" in all forms of chess however you find cases of the 2000 at CC and 1200 at blitz. It is normally these 1200 club players who complain about blitz.

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Originally posted by z00t
Normally a good player should be "good" in all forms of chess however you find cases of the [b]2000 at CC and 1200 at blitz. It is normally these 1200 club players who complain about blitz.[/b]
Do you want to say that player which is not good in blitz is not good at all?

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Originally posted by Korch
Do you want to say that player which is not good in blitz is not good at all?
No I'm saying that the players who belong to the 1200 club are complainers about blitz. Note 1200 does not mean 1200 at blitz but those who play well in CC but underperfom at blitz.

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Originally posted by z00t
No I'm saying that the players who belong to the 1200 club are complainers about blitz. Note 1200 does not mean 1200 at blitz but those who play well in CC but underperfom at blitz.
I know many good blitzers which thinks that blitz is not serious, but only funny action. Among strong GMs as I have heard only Bronstein in past and Tkachev in present are blitz fans and propogandists.

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Originally posted by Korch
I know many good blitzers which thinks that blitz is not serious, but only funny action. Among strong GMs as I have heard only Bronstein in past and Tkachev in present are blitz fans and propogandists.
All top GMs take part in blitz/rapid chess otherwise you would not have the multitude of events. I have not seen any OTB GM having a 1200 bltz rating. Have you? Maybe you can show us a link?

However you have ICCF "GMs" who could not make 1500 OTB because it is Fritz plus Database giving that illegitimate ICCF rating.

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Originally posted by z00t
All top GMs take part in blitz/rapid chess otherwise you would not have the multitude of events. I have not seen any OTB GM having a 1200 bltz rating. Have you? Maybe you can show us a link?

However you have ICCF "GMs" who could not make 1500 OTB because it is Fritz plus Database giving that illegitimate ICCF rating.
But have you noticed that results in blitz/rapid differs from results which would be if the same players would play classical chess? For example Morozevich is one of the best fast players in the world while in classical chess his results are not so good.

If everyone of OTB GM can win in blitz 1200 rated player it does not means that they cant be defeated by IMs or 2300 rated players which are good blitzers.

Look at playchess - there are many untitled players which is playing blitz better than some IMs and IMs.

So skills of blitz/rapid and classical chess ( to say nothing about CC) is not the same.

I know some strong "old school" CC players which don`t use engines - they are good in CC, not so bad in OTB , but in blitz their results are bad (perhaps due to their solid age).

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Originally posted by z00t
However you have ICCF "GMs" who could not make 1500 OTB because it is Fritz plus Database giving that illegitimate ICCF rating.
that's utter nonsense. why am I the 265th out of 18109 active players on rhp? why can't the 90% of blitzers who are better than me at blitz, why can't they beat me here?

is their chess all smoke & mirrors, depending on their opponents dropping material to 1-move blunders?

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Being good at blitz requires a "quick scan" ability not as necessary to otb and probably unimportant in correspondence. As i said before i stink at rapid play. I was going over a game with a 1400 opponent in Fritz, when i noticed he had left a rook hanging and i blithely went on with my "plan" to crash through with my pawns on the kingside. On the next move, he moved the rook from danger. He could have probably left it there indefinitely. Not til i went over the game in fritz did i notice it. otb i would have easily caught it and at rhp he would have never survived. A good player at blitz adjusts quickly to circumstances. Apparently, i have trouble doing that.

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Originally posted by buddy2
Being good at blitz requires a "quick scan" ability not as necessary to otb and probably unimportant in correspondence. As i said before i stink at rapid play. I was going over a game with a 1400 opponent in Fritz, when i noticed he had left a rook hanging and i blithely went on with my "plan" to crash through with my pawns on the kingside. On the next mov ...[text shortened]... od player at blitz adjusts quickly to circumstances. Apparently, i have trouble doing that.
Ha, yes I've just been finding that out. Too much alcohol didn't help either, just as well they're unrated...

Congrats to Ramiri15 who beat me 3 times.

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Originally posted by z00t
All top GMs take part in blitz/rapid chess otherwise you would not have the multitude of events. I have not seen any OTB GM having a 1200 bltz rating. Have you? Maybe you can show us a link?

However you have ICCF "GMs" who could not make 1500 OTB because it is Fritz plus Database giving that illegitimate ICCF rating.
I've seen an FM with a 1600-1700ish bullet rating. Some need more time than others.

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Originally posted by DeepThought
Ha, yes I've just been finding that out. Too much alcohol didn't help either, just as well they're unrated...

Congrats to Ramiri15 who beat me 3 times.
😛 You were drunk?

Mr. Reid and I have played some nice games.

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Originally posted by Ramiri15
😛 You were drunk?

Mr. Reid and I have played some nice games.
Indeed we have. I have really been enjoying the Blitz site. I originally wanted it to be rated, but I think that the fact that it isn't has helped to make it more fun. I've even been abused by Korch a few times, who probably wouldn't waste the time to play me if it were rated. This is a really nice addition to RHP.

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