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21 Nov 04
23 Nov 04
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Originally posted by NyxieI used the quotes because I think it's considered unsound(weak),by the majority of chessplayers.Read post 4 on page 2 of this thread.
Is nf6 really considered weak or was that a intentional quote. There are some people who open out of order to throw off the opponent. Using the third then second then first move of an opening out of order. I've done it myself, but purely by ...[text shortened]... middle towards endgame. Does this make any sense at all?
Nyxie
You're right about the idea behind the Alekhine 🙂
27 Nov 04
For anyone who was following this thread, the outcome:
Game 793009
I really don't think the defense was unsound, or more so then any other. Compliments to my opponent for not taking the bishop and avoiding every trap I could throw at them in this game.
27 Nov 04
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI don't think that would have stopped it. I looked it would have taken a couple extra moves but if I brought the bishop down you have to go the backrow, and I bring the queen to g7 threatening the rook and checkmate. There's too many pieces to get the king out of the way fast enough. I guess it depends on what you do after rh8.
I guess I should have played ...Rh8.
Nyxie
28 Nov 04
Originally posted by AThousandYoungIf rh8 and kf8, then Qg6. Rook cannot move to cover the mate square. and the king can't move. If rh8 then ke8 check and I have to chase the king, a couple different lines, mostly involving the loss of the rook. It made me think anyway.
I'm thinking ...Rh8 followed by ...Kf8, or ...Rf8 followed by...Ke8.
Nyxie
28 Nov 04
Originally posted by NyxieI see the ...Rh8 leading to a quick mate. Would you elaborate on how you'd follow up on 33...Re8 34. Be6+ Ke8 35 Qg6+ Kd8?
If rh8 and kf8, then Qg6. Rook cannot move to cover the mate square. and the king can't move. If rh8 then ke8 check and I have to chase the king, a couple different lines, mostly involving the loss of the rook. It made me think anyway.
Nyxie
28 Nov 04
Originally posted by AThousandYoungI think I misquoted before. If 33rh8 I do it backwards. Qg6 check, KF8 I believe forced.Bishop e6, same outcome king is locked down, mate square can't be covered. Mate in one unless you sac the rook, buys a couple moves. Does that follow?
I see the ...Rh8 leading to a quick mate. Would you elaborate on how you'd follow up on 33...Re8 34. Be6+ Ke8 35 Qg6+ Kd8?
I think my attack was set by you trading rooks on move 32. Let's go back to move 22 you moved your queen one space and I see it for defense but, She is locked by our locked pawns so she can't threaten my queen at the time, or slow down my game on the flank, so I ignored it. It would have taken three moves to align her with my queen. I think the bishop bringing your pawns out on moves 23-24 was a serious advantage for me as it weakened your pawn chain in front of your king. I think this is where your position dissolved.
Does any of this help?
Nyxie
28 Nov 04
I think my attack was set by you trading rooks on move 32. Let's go back to move 22 you moved your queen one space and I see it for defense but, She is locked by our locked pawns so she can't threaten my queen at the time, or slow down my game on the flank, so I ignored it. It would have taken three moves to align her with my queen. I think the bishop bringing your pawns out on moves 23-24 was a ...[text shortened]... nt of your king. I think this is where your position dissolved.I follow the forced mate resulting from 33...Rh8. I also see now the forced mate resulting from 33...Re8. Thanks!
Does any of this help?
Nyxie[/b]
I doubt 22...Qc7 was for defense. I don't remember my thinking at the time but it was probably intended to attack your doubled isolated cP's. So, it was an offensive move, not defensive. Conveniently it unpinned my eP in case something should later attack my dP, though I pushed the B away next move anyway. To be honest I just didn't give your attack enough credit. I thought I could weather it and nab your Pawns sometime.
I think my mistake was 24...g5, not the Queen move. 24...Nxb3 comes to mind, but I think 25 Bxd6 is too dangerous for that. I can't play around over there yet. What about 24...Ne4?
28 Nov 04
Originally posted by gambit3perhaps you'd better ask why they called it the alekhine defence 😉
Alekhine did not play the Alekhine's Defence very often. I do not know why. He was a strong enough player, pluss there was no a lot of theory on it at that time. Anybody know why Alekhine did not play the opening a bit more often?
29 Nov 04
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Originally posted by AThousandYoungI had originally thought 24 ne4 would be your move, it was the one I least wanted to see you make there.
I follow the forced mate resulting from 33...Rh8. I also see now the forced mate resulting from 33...Re8. Thanks!
I doubt 22...Qc7 was for defense. I don't remember my thinking at the time but it was probably intended to attac ...[text shortened]... that. I can't play around over there yet. What about 24...Ne4?
Nyxie
ps : I still think moving either of the pawns in front of your king was the downfall. I would have gladly sacrificed my bishop for this position.
01 Dec 04
There is no doubt that Dracula ie the Latvian Gambit is unsound, but there are some players that are dedicated to playing it. With accurate play the unsound opening is playing for a draw and has no chance to win. Pluss at some point in the game accurate play could crush it. If the Alekhine's Defence is also unsound then so be it. Play the opening if like it as you are not playing Fischer. ChessMaster does play the Alekhine's Defence. Does any program play the Latvian Gambit?
06 Dec 04
I found myself in another alekhine's defense game. Again I was playing white. I responded differently this time, as I did'nt realize they wanted to play the alekhine. Sometimes I just don't recognize an opening for what it is. Can anyone tell me if there is a name for white's play in this game?
1. e4 Ng8f6 2. f3 e5 3. Ng1e2 g6 4. d4 Bf8g7 5. dxe5 Nf6h5 6. Bc1e3 O-O
7. g4 Qd8h4 8. Be3f2 Qh4e7 9. gxh5 gxh5 10. Rh1g1 Qe7xe5 11. Bf2d4 Qe5a5
12. Bd4c3 Qa5c5 13. Rg1xg7 1-0
Nyxie