25 Oct 05
Originally posted by lucifershammerI agree that the CK isn’t the most aggressive opening, but it’s got enough potential that other factors such as calculation, tactics, positional play, endgame technique, etc. will have sufficient opportunity to decide the game. I play the CK, and when I fail to win, it’s not because of my opening choice. As GM Suetin (I think?!) said, “it’s not what you play, it’s how you play”.
The down-side is that it tends to lead quickly to drawish games.
I once asked a titled player if I should continue playing the CK. He answered, “does it interest you? does it challenge you? do you enjoy playing it? And if so, then keep playing it.”.
26 Oct 05
Originally posted by Varenkai agree with that player...🙂
I agree that the CK isn’t the most aggressive opening, but it’s got enough potential that other factors such as calculation, tactics, positional play, endgame technique, etc. will have sufficient opportunity to decide the game. I play the CK, and when I fail to win, it’s not because of my opening choice. As GM Suetin (I think?!) said,  ...[text shortened]... t you? does it challenge you? do you enjoy playing it? And if so, then keep playing it.”.
here is another example of caro kann
Game 1396144
GodbLESS
27 Oct 05
Originally posted by lesstaire6Our game is interesting so far...
i agree with that player...🙂
here is another example of caro kann
Game 1396144
GodbLESS
Game 1504891
🙂 thanks for the challenge, I hope to learn something new about the Caro-Kann.
09 Nov 05
1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 dxe4 4. Nxe4 Bf5 5. Qf3.... just wondering, is there a variation of Carokann with Qf3 forcing the bishop to capture the knight. i have done some analysis if black does not capture the knight then white stands in a better position what do you think guys???
pls send me a sample of this variation if you have one pls....
09 Nov 05
Originally posted by zebanoI’m not convinced. When I look at my database of Caro-Kann games, I see too many games where the GM playing Black is unlikely to want a draw. For example, there are games where White is significantly lower rated or where the tournament situation wouldn’t suggest a draw is desirable. For the latter, Anand played the CK twice during the recent world championship, but I think he would have been playing for a win. Of course, I can’t say for sure.
Don't play the karo unless yo uwant to draw... a lot. Actually at your/our level that shouldn't be a problem but it's my understanding that GM's play the Karo looking to draw.
Also, while it is useful to consider what GMs play, I think it is necessary to consider your own needs. Compared to you or I, GMs approach opening preparation at an entirely different level; they face much stronger opponents; and their ambitions are different. It’s an entirely different outlook and approach.
Finally, I’ve played about 10 CKs on this site, and all games have been a win for Black or White so far. It’s not a big sample of games, but my over-the-board games etc reflect a similar trend.
09 Nov 05
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Originally posted by VarenkaTo quote myself:
Also, while it is useful to consider what GMs play, I think it is necessary to consider your own needs. .
Actually at your/our level that shouldn't be a problem.
Maybe my sample is insuficient for the conclusion I've drawn about GM's...
Edit: I just want to add that I have taken up the panov attack due to making no progress against black using classical means. So at my level it is quite solid.
09 Nov 05
Originally posted by zebanoSorry, I placed too much emphasis on your first statement, and not the second. :-)
To quote myself:
Actually at your/our level that shouldn't be a problem.
Maybe my sample is insuficient for the conclusion I've drawn about GM's...
Edit: I just want to add that I have taken up the panov attack due to making no progress against black using classical means. So at my level it is quite solid.
It's interesting that you mention your progress with the Classical (Nxe4) line. Any particular followup give you issues? Bf5, Nd7, Nf6 ? I ask because on another correspondence site, I've been losing a lot on the Black side! :-) My latest approach is Bf5 with a probable queenside castle (if appropriate).
09 Nov 05
Originally posted by VarenkaWell it's all over the board experience so I can't really help you there. This is my only correspondence experience, and I have only 10 games completed. Bf5 is what I see most often though NF6 rears it's head too. It may be possible that I am simply too aggresive when I only have a minute advantage.
It's interesting that you mention your progress with the Classical (Nxe4) line. Any particular followup give you issues? Bf5, Nd7, Nf6 ? I ask because on another correspondence site, I've been losing a lot on the Black side! :-) My latest approach is Bf5 with a probable queenside castle (if appropriate).
09 Nov 05
Originally posted by zebanothe concept of a "drawish" defense does not really exist at the level of the people on this site. (except for perhaps the top 10)
Don't play the karo unless yo uwant to draw... a lot. Actually at your/our level that shouldn't be a problem but it's my understanding that GM's play the Karo looking to draw.
there are too many mistakes being made for this concept to hold here
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by Varenkaat Bf5...i made an analysis for white...why not try Qf3 instead of Ng3...i made some research and there are very few games using this variation of CK for white..any games so far using this variation???
Sorry, I placed too much emphasis on your first statement, and not the second. :-)
It's interesting that you mention your progress with the Classical (Nxe4) line. Any particular followup give you issues? Bf5, Nd7, Nf6 ? I ask because on another correspondence site, I've been losing a lot on the Black side! :-) My latest approach is Bf5 with a probable queenside castle (if appropriate).
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10 Nov 05
Originally posted by lesstaire6FYI, if you'd have made a different move on 18 you could have won very quickly, maybe you have a murderous style of chess though, which I can appreciate 🙂
i agree with that player...🙂
here is another example of caro kann
Game 1396144
GodbLESS
10 Nov 05
Originally posted by dnpanteNo, I've not yet faced Qf3 in a game.
...why not try Qf3 instead of Ng3...any games so far using this variation???
It doesn't look that bad, but maybe moves such as Ng3 are a bit better. The queen may be misplaced on f3, and deny a knight that square. I think Black is fine after responding with e6.
11 Nov 05
Originally posted by Varenkawhen black answers with e6 Bg5, then queenside castles. white is ahead of development;
No, I've not yet faced Qf3 in a game.
It doesn't look that bad, but maybe moves such as Ng3 are a bit better. The queen may be misplaced on f3, and deny a knight that square. I think Black is fine after responding with e6.
11 Nov 05
I've heard somewhere (sorry I don't remember exactly where) that Nigel Short has endorsed 1...c6 2...d5 as a universal defense for amateurs that don't want to have to learn too much theory. I have been doing this for some time, OTB, CC, and online blitz. I am no Karpov, and my rating clearly illustrates this, but I think that more often than not when I get losing positions it is due to tactical oversights on my part. My point is that I believe that you can get playable positions witha minimal amount of study using the Caro-Kann, and can transpose alot of the same ideas into the Slav defense against 1.d4.
good luck