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Trying to play like Petrosian and failing

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During the match Fischer - Petrosian in Buens Aires 1971 there were 2 power cuts.
Petrosian reluctantly described both of them, noting that both power cuts happened, when Fischer was in troubles midst in the opening and adding: "I know what you might now think of me..."
Only much later could a Russian journalist write that it was something suspicous.
There is a picture from Buenos Aires 1971: Fischer was having a dinner with "his staff".
At the table there were many strange people, that looked pretty...hm...mafioso-like.
Fischer played matches against Taimanov and Larsen in North America, and Petrosian wanted now Europe. "I am elder than Fischer, why does not he come over?" he said.

During the two matches between Kortchnoi and Petrosian, the latter would turn his hearing aid off in order not to listen his opponent, but it didn´t help kicking under the table. Petrosian resigned their match in 1974 and Kortchnoi claimed that it was Petrosian who had played soccer under the table.

There is a curious thing: two players resigned candidate matches against Kortchnoi: Petrosian and Hubner. Hubner resigned against also Petrosian in 1971, claiming that he cannot play aginst a deaf player (! and Petrosian used to turn his hearing aid off...)

Botvinnik accused Taimanov of pour ending play against Fischer in 1971. "He played like a school girl!", said Botvinnik. Some in USSR suggested prison for Taimanov.
There is a joke about it.
KGB Agents planted a book of disident Solzenitsin in Taimanov´s luggage before he got back to USSR, so as to frame him as a revenche after shameful defeat against Fischer. And custom officers did find the book and Taimanov was confined to Siberia for some years. At the same time custom officer inspected luggage of Solzenitsin and had found chess book of - Mark Taimanov. And the joke is - Solzenitsin was punished more severe than Taimanov!

The match Kortchnoi vs Spassky I could watch live in Belgrade. Spassky introduced a nwe fashion: thinking in "tinking box" not at the table. Kortchnoi was wearing sombrero hat and walkman with Spanish flamenco guitar music. This feud went back in 1968 when Spassky defeated Kortchnoi, and he had always claimed that he was at his peak at the time.

Petrosian lost all privilegies - one by one - after repeated defeats against Kortchnoi.

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And no, no dental fillings mentioned in this post

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I don't think you can make the same kind of distinction in chess. "Oh yeah, this kid is gonna be the next Magnus Carlsen, I can just tell."

"I don't think that anyone with only average chess talent could become a strong
GM even if one could train day and night with the best available coaches."

Isn't this exactly what happens with successful grandmasters? They receive good coaching, and work their butts off? Magnus Carlsen working hard with Kasparov comes to mind...Nakamura had a chess coach at the age of 5.

Wasn't the Botvinnik School of Chess known for cranking out grandmasters? That place is not exactly suited for lazy chess players. What about the Polgar experiment?

Seriously. Who needs talent when you study chess for 19 years with a coach starting at the age of 5?

"I don't think that anyone with only average chess talent could become a strong
GM even if one could train day and night with the best available coaches."

If I ever heard a recipe for success, it's probably that one.

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You are born either with or without the raw materials to be a chess player.

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Hi vandervelde

I have at sometime or other read all the conspiracy theories. Some are brilliant,
some are obviously fake, others...who knows?

When I first heard that a candidates match was decided by the spin of
a roulette wheel. (Hubner - Smyslov 1983) I did not believe it but it happened.

Some are not theories, Fischer's claim that the Russian agreed draws amongst
themselves to save themself for Fischer in the 1962 Candidates have since
been proven.

I like the idea that Fischer's staff (who ever they might be) arranged the power cuts.
Don't mention that Fischer agreed to keep the clocks running and they have a good point.

It's been a while since I heard that the Soviets murdered Alekhine so
Botvinnik could win the world title but I'm sure this too will soon appear.

Hi Duchess,

My Fischer and money joke was follwed by a smiley. (it was joke.)

"Do you really believe that Bobby Fischer would have gracefully accepted
losing the world championship match, the most important event in his life?"

Yes if the reason for the loss was soley down to chess.
He would have been furious with himself but towards Spassky he would
have been very gracious.

There is no evidence of Fischer being a bad loser.
Even his most ardent non-admirers admit he was always a perfect gentleman
towards his opponent after a loss.

That is why he wanted everything perfect. If he was going to lose then it would
be because of the chess and nothing else. That he would have accepted.

Hi Chesspraxis.

"You are born either with or without the raw materials to be a chess player."

From a 1938 interview with Alekhine (who by the way was murdered to clear
the way for Botvinnik.)

Question:

"Dr. Alekhine, tell me, would you say that chessplayers are born, or do you think a
great chessplayer can be made by hard practice?"

Alekhine:

"No, frankly, I think the ideal chessplayer is born. Of course, I look upon chess as
an art, and just as you cannot make a great painter or a musician, unless the gifts
of painting or music are innate in a person, so also I believe that for anyone to
become outstanding at chess the ability must be born with the player.

There is something much more in championship chess than just following the
somewhat limited rules of the game.
To play a really good chess, you must have vision.

Vision is something of the same way that a creative artist must have if he would
lift his performance out of the common realm."

RJHinds
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Originally posted by tomtom232
Visualisation is an attainable skill to an extent. Anybody, barring any disorders, can develop the ability to play blindfold chess and the funny part is that when I play blindfold chess I don't really even visualise the board, I feel it instead.
Like I said, you will never be a great chess player without the ability to visualize the chess board.

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Originally posted by RJHinds
Like I said, you will never be a great chess player without the ability to visualize the chess board.
maybe he should get a tinfoil hat with parabolic receiver 🙄

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi vandervelde

I have at sometime or other read all the conspiracy theories. Some are brilliant,
some are obviously fake, others...who knows?

When I first heard that a candidates match was decided by the spin of
a roulette wheel. (Hubner - Smyslov 1983) I did not believe it but it happened.

Some are not theories, Fischer's claim that the Russi ...[text shortened]... ative artist must have if he would
lift his performance out of the common realm."
Granny Praxis always said, "You can't polish a turd, if you try you just end up with a stinky rag."

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Originally posted by ChessPraxis
Granny Praxis always said, "You can't polish a turd, if you try you just end up with a stinky rag."
Unless its petrified... but then, when you finish polishing, its still a piece of $hit.

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Posts thumbed down by Turd Polishers Local 3076

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Originally posted by ChessPraxis
You are born either with or without the raw materials to be a chess player.
I think everyone has a level they can get too without putting in much effort.

I was about as good after playing for one year as I am now about twenty years later. My over the board rating has never been above 1500. Why? Well this is my level or talent for playing chess as expressed in ELO rating. Not a great way to measure but what else do we have?. Maybe if I set my mind to it and studied a couple of hours a day on tactics, endgames and played through master games I could maybe hit 2000 in a few years. Maybe. But I'm never going to be master strength.

Now take a young Fischer. Shown the moves at an early age by his sister. But he's not that interested. He wants to play baseball. So he grows up playing a few chess games for the school team and joins a chess club, but only really plays outside the baseball season. He is a naturally gifted chess player. So his ELO climbs above 2000 in his teens, maybe hitting IM strength in his mid 20's. But chess is just a hobby. He has a 9 to 5 job, a wife and three kids so his spare time is limited. So maybe Fischer's level is 2400.

But, and this is a big but, he was not only very talented but so into chess that it became an obsession. So he became one of the best players of all time.

I wonder how many IM's there are out there with 9 to 5 jobs and a wife and three kids who are just as talented as Fischer/Kasparov/Tal, but not as focussed on the game?

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Originally posted by ChessPraxis
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I have some dessicated hippo and giraffe poo on my desk at work, courtesy of the Animal Programs professionals at Disney's Animal Kingdom.

There is a lot of animal health research that goes on there behind the scenes, and one byproduct is some really cool desk souvenirs. The stuff glazes at very high temperatures.

I haven't thought to ask if the stuff could be shaped into chess pieces, but that would result in a very interesting set!

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I have a book containing 30 games of Tigran Petrosian that are annotated by a former World Champion of Corresponence Chess. It covers games from when Petrosian was 17 years old until the 5th game of the 1963 World Championship against Botvinnik. I looked at these games about 40 years ago, but never really studied them. I had forgotten about that book until now. I quit playing chess in 1982 and don't remember those games, so it is like a new book to me.

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Originally posted by hedonist
I think everyone has a level they can get too without putting in much effort.

I was about as good after playing for one year as I am now about twenty years later. My over the board rating has never been above 1500. Why? Well this is my level or talent for playing chess as expressed in ELO rating. Not a great way to measure but what else do we have?. May ...[text shortened]... ree kids who are just as talented as Fischer/Kasparov/Tal, but not as focussed on the game?
Someone who gets a full-time job(whatever happened to getting part-time jobs?) and then laments they cannot become a GM needs to get their priorities straight. I'm not saying they're making excuses, I'm just saying they could make their chess life so much easier on them if they did the right things. Of course, you do have to earn some money to spend money on chess, right?

Masters who complain they cannot get better are just suffering from "sour grapes". Seriously, some people would love to be able to make 15 dollars an hour teaching chess.

I swear to you, your potential is not "1500". To say that your rating will never get over 1500 is self-defeating and irrational. It's irrational because that is just not what your potential rating is. It's also irrational because it's self-defeating. Why tell yourself you cannot get over 1500 if you want to get over the 1500 hump?

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