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17 Sep 07
17 Sep 07
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Originally posted by ZadadkaYou might want to read my post again...
lol.....glad we're not related...... 😉
"You can care about both, even if not in equal amounts. "
to which you replied...
"A chess game is more important than an hospitalized loved one.......sorry, "equally as"... ? "
As I mentioned already, level of care doesn't matter.
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18 Sep 07
Originally posted by ZadadkaThis Vacation System sucks - end of story. 😴
I'm getting pretty tired of seeing individuals using Vacation to circumvent The Clock (Timeout & Timebank).
If you are on Vacation, you shouldn't be moving, and if you are, then do not be surprised if the word "cheat" is used.
In my own view, if you set Vacation, you should not be able to move at all, or reset Vacation within 72 hours of turning it off.
Your views?
18 Sep 07
There were times where I anticipated that I will not have a chance to visit the site for a period of time and set the vacation for this. However, I have come back within the time and I couldn't cancel the remaining vacation period. Therefore I have no choice but to move with the vacation flag up. Although I cannot see that being a problem anyway. I very rarely have used up all my timebank, so that shouldn't make a difference to my opponent.
I do have vacation set up for this year, but in future I probably will not bother, as I can manage my time quite well without it.
18 Sep 07
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Originally posted by RagnorakI will qoute from a previous posting in Thread 69651 page 2:
How does that work?
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When you go to vacation, every game has to be answered to or else the clock will still be ticking for that particular game.
During the vacation, no incoming move can be seen because they are sealed until you go off vacation.
So say that I want to go to vacation at June 5th and I estimate it will take 1 day to respond to all the games I have, then I book vacation one day earlier, at June 4th.
The clocks for every one game I haven't responded to, will still be ticking, but I am allowed to make moves during my vacation, in order to stop the clock ticking. But once the clock is stopped I don't get any move from my opponents. The moves are sealed.
If my opponent is on vacation, he can still give me moves, and from my point of view, the time is running. I have to respond with a move 8as if the opponent is not on vacation). But when I've made my move, my clock stops ticking (as normal), and the move is sealed. Your opponent can't see the game, and therefor don't know what your resonse is.
When I come back from my vacation, I stop the vacation and in that moment all sealed moves from the opponents are un-sealed and they are suddenly visible for me.
This is not a complicated vacation system for the players.
In short: During your vacation, all incoming moves are sealed and invisible for you, until you're back from your vacation.
18 Sep 07
Originally posted by FabianFnas1) I have to move in all of my games before I can set my vacation flag? That could be 1600 games? What if it's an real emergency? How do I set my vacation flag NOW? With your system, I need to know a week in advance that I am about to have a personal issue which means that I can't spend any time on RHP?
I will qoute from a previous posting in Thread 69651 page 2:
When you go to vacation, every game has to be answered to or else the clock will still be ticking for that particular game.
During the vacation, no incoming move can be seen because they are sealed until you go off vacation.
So say that I want to go to vacation at June 5th ...[text shortened]... all incoming moves are sealed and invisible for you, until you're back from your vacation.
2) What if I am on vacation and want to spend an hour making moves. I don't have much time so only want to make moves in easy games. How do I do this with sealed moves?
3) What business sense does it make to russ to prevent people paying to use the site from using the site?
4) At the moment, tournaments can still move on while people are on vacation? Why do you propose a system which will lead to practical standstill of all games? Personally, I wouldn't unseal games if I only had 10 minutes worth of possible playing time, in case I revealed a very tough position. With the current system, I'd just flick through my games finding games that I can easily find a move in.
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18 Sep 07
Originally posted by RagnorakThe details is up to the RHP staff to decide, not me.
1) I have to move in all of my games before I can set my vacation flag? That could be 1600 games? What if it's an real emergency? How do I set my vacation flag NOW? With your system, I need to know a week in advance that I am about to have a personal issue which means that I can't spend any time on RHP?
2) What if I am on vacation and want to spend a ...[text shortened]... ystem, I'd just flick through my games finding games that I can easily find a move in.
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The problem with the current system is that (1) your time is ticking while on vacation, leaving perhaps no time left when you return, (2) that you are immune to time outs, even in tournaments of 1/0 type, leaving your opponents with an unfair disadvantage, and (3) that players on vacation having an internet connection is treated exactly the same as players not having any connection at all.
Having 1600 games in progress is far to extreme to take up as a problem for either vacation system.
Some people find opponents moving during their vacation abusing the vacation system, some people find opponent take advantage of their immunity is cheating. So there is certainly room for discussion about an alternative vacation system. One alternative is the concept of sealed moves.
But the details are up to RHP staff to decide, not me. If they want to discuss details with me, I'm open to discuss it with them.
18 Sep 07
Originally posted by davanielThank yo ufor this clarification.
I don't think you understood zebano right. His arguments are fine: the difference between sites is that on the sites he mentioned, you play in realtime (OTB, so to say) and what we do here is correspondence chess. The difference is obvious. His planning argument is definitely no nonsense: games can stretch for over a year (or at least a couple ...[text shortened]... of thing should stay.
Edit: took me long to write this one. Missed what was after.
To Zadaka...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correspondence_chess
It is not the same as OTB (over the board).
18 Sep 07
Originally posted by FabianFnasWhat "unfair disadvantage"? If they feel that they are in danger of being TO'd they are also able to take advantage of the Timeout Immunity function. How is that unfair?
The details is up to the RHP staff to decide, not me.
The problem with the current system is that (1) your time is ticking while on vacation, leaving perhaps no time left when you return, (2) that you are immune to time outs, even in tournaments of 1/0 type, leaving your opponents with an unfair disadvantage, and (3) that players on vacation having an ...[text shortened]... f to decide, not me. If they want to discuss details with me, I'm open to discuss it with them.
Players on here have had 1600 games in progress. Everybody needs to be thought about, not just the user who perfectly fits your idea.
It's disappointing that you won't discuss the obvious flaws in your system.
The people who think that moving while on vacation is "abuse" or "cheating" are the same people who ALWAYS took the TO whether the vacation flag was flying or not.
I'm not sure we should be considering the needs of the points greedy people over the people who need immediate timeout immunity due to personal matters.
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18 Sep 07
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Originally posted by RagnorakWhat "unfair disadvantage"? If they feel that they are in danger of being TO'd they are also able to take advantage of the Timeout Immunity function. How is that unfair?
What "unfair disadvantage"? If they feel that they are in danger of being TO'd they are also able to take advantage of the Timeout Immunity function. How is that unfair?
Players on here have had 1600 games in progress. Everybody needs to be thought about, not just the user who perfectly fits your idea.
It's disappointing that you won't discuss the ple over the people who need immediate timeout immunity due to personal matters.
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They who think so should answer this question.
Players on here have had 1600 games in progress. Everybody needs to be thought about, not just the user who perfectly fits your idea.
Name two players who have 1600 games or more in progress. This is an extreme situation. I'm sure this problem can be dealt with.
It's disappointing that you won't discuss the obvious flaws in your system.
I've been discussing this before. I refer to those threads. I'm willing to discuss details with the RHP staff, if they ask me to. But the details is up to them to decide.
The people who think that moving while on vacation is "abuse" or "cheating" are the same people who ALWAYS took the TO whether the vacation flag was flying or not.
This discussion you have to make with them, not me.
I'm not sure we should be considering the needs of the points greedy people over the people who need immediate timeout immunity due to personal matters.
Again, this should be a discussion with those who think so, not me.
I think the concept of sealed moves is far better that the current one. Iv'e discussed this before in more than one thread. I refer to those threads instead of repeating myself.
And I know that every one doesn't agree with me or this proposal. If the majority is supporting the current vacation system, then I don't mind. But I do take the right to further support my proposal of this concept of sealed moves as, in my view, a better system than the current vacation system.
19 Sep 07
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Originally posted by FabianFnasFrom this thread, Zadadka doesn't like the current system because he thinks he is playing OTB chess on here, Dr. S doesn't like the current system because it doesn't apply to non-subs. Everybody else in the thread likes the current vacation system, except for you, which appears to be a majority to me.
And I know that every one doesn't agree with me or this proposal. If the majority is supporting the current vacation system, then I don't mind. But I do take the right to further support my proposal of this concept of sealed moves as, in my view, a better system than the current vacation system.
How does your proposal allow true vacationers like mtthw, MontyMoose, gambit05, Zebano, davaniel and lausey to do what they want while on vacation, ie: make a few easy moves when they can?
What exactly does Sealed Moves concept improve? As far as I can see, it is a concept purely to stop "abusers" and not to facilitate people who honestly don't think they will have much time for RHP in the coming week or two. It stops people from moving while on vacation, ie: slowing tournaments more than now, and inconveniences the site membership who want to make a few easy moves while away?
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19 Sep 07
Originally posted by RagnorakYou have the right to have your opinion, as I do mine, and everyone else.
From this thread, Zadadka doesn't like the current system because he thinks he is playing OTB chess on here, Dr. S doesn't like the current system because it doesn't apply to non-subs. Everybody else in the thread likes the current vacation system, except for you, which appears to be a majority to me.
How does your proposal allow true vacationers like m ...[text shortened]... and inconveniences the site membership who want to make a few easy moves while away?
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I don't think you need to be worried about anyone having another opinion than yours, it's perfectly alright.