Originally posted by FabianFnasPlease don't play the "poor me, martyr" card.
You have the right to have your opinion, as I do mine, and everyone else.
I don't think you need to be worried about anyone having another opinion than yours, it's perfectly alright.
You are more than entitled to your opinion. But, even in the previous threads you refer to, you never once addressed the flaws in your proposed system. When you are unable to do this, I find it strange that you keep proposing it, although thankfully you no longer sell it as a flawless system like before.
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I think my point is made, and has been amply qualified here...the current Vacation system is open to abuse...certainly is abused... and apparently some consider it not to be cheating; of all the capricious arguments offered against considering finding a solution to the abuse, as well as confirming my point, this one is a peach :
"If they feel that they are in danger of being TO'd they are also able to take advantage of the Timeout Immunity function".
"Take advantage" clearly being the operative phrase.
Thanks all.
Originally posted by RegicidalHow did you manage before the vacation system?
I like vacation days. I don't like being forced to be glued to a computer.
Did you feel you were forced to be online?
If not, what has changed?
If you did, why not just reduce your gameload/increase the timebanks?
The vacation system sucks. If something personal was to happen to prevent access for a period of time, then would people really be thinking "I must get online and put my vacation sign up on Red Hot Pawn" while I will be unable to access the site. If so, then these people really need to get a life.
Originally posted by RagnorakIf you try to find flaws you can find it everywhere, even in the present vacation system, nothing strange with this.
Please don't play the "poor me, martyr" card.
You are more than entitled to your opinion. But, even in the previous threads you refer to, you never once addressed the flaws in your proposed system. When you are unable to do this, I find it strange that you keep proposing it, although thankfully you no longer sell it as a flawless system like before.
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If you find me as an martyr, then I sincerely apologize. That is not my intention. 😉
I think my proposal is sound enough. I think the concept of sealed moves will make RedHotPawn a better place for players, wanting to or forced to, to take a break from playing chess for a while now and then. The thinking times is not running during the vacation, people will not think opponents abuses the vacation system, or even using loopholes as a means of cheating, and some other advantages.
But, and I emphasize this, I am not the one who will implement this new concept, I'm not a programmer, or even if I were, I have no access to the core of RHP system. If the staff of RHP think my proposal is a good one, and want to go further with this concept, then it is time to discuss details of it. Why discuss details here? I invite the RHP staff to discuss details with me directly.
So I don't have to defend my proposal to the letter with anyone. I think my proposal is clear enough. Some people doesn't like this proposal of mine, and I have no problems with this. I have no face to lose if the concept is not introduced right away.
If my proposal makes you feel bad and advice me to not go any further, I'm sorry not to obey your will. It's just a part of the democracy of RHP to have ones own opinion, me mine, you yours.
Originally posted by ZadadkaThere can be no abuse of the current system, as defined by the site admin. There can only be misunderstanding of what the system is for...
I think my point is made, and has been amply qualified here...the current Vacation system is open to abuse...certainly is abused... and apparently some consider it not to be cheating; of all the capricious arguments offered against considering finding a solution to the abuse, as well as confirming my point, this one is a peach :
"If they feel that they ar ...[text shortened]... ut Immunity function".
"Take advantage" clearly being the operative phrase.
Thanks all.
"1) Players on vacation and their opponents can continue to move. It is only protection from timeout for a fixed number of days, nothing more.
2) A player must clear down games at risk from timeout before their vacation ends. Removal of the vacation flag will end any protection. The vacation page help will be updated to make this clear.
3) People can use their days as they please.
-Russ"
Now you either agree or disagree with the current system. As Fabian loves to bleat on about, that is your right, and nobody will deny you that right. However, you can not label players abusers or cheaters for using the system as it was meant to be used. You are simply misunderstanding it, which comes as no surprise considering your earlier posts in this thread.
My point was this, if they feel their opponent has an advantage over them, and they are in danger of TOing, if they wish, they may use the Timeout Immunity period according to number 3 above..
Have you ever "taken advantage" of a knight fork? Or en passent? How about "taking advantage of the castling rule to break a pin and bring your king to (relative) safety? Were you cheating in "taking advantage" of the rules of chess? 🙄
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Originally posted by adramforallI believe he was referring to the fact that he had no protection from people like yourself who openly stated in your profile that you didn't respect vacation flags. So then, he felt obliged to be online to make his moves so that you, and your ilk, couldn't time him out. Now, at least he has limited protection.
How did you manage before the vacation system?
Did you feel you were forced to be online?
If not, what has changed?
If you did, why not just reduce your gameload/increase the timebanks?
The vacation system sucks. If something personal was to happen to prevent access for a period of time, then would people really be thinking "I must get ...[text shortened]... hile I will be unable to access the site. If so, then these people really need to get a life.
I can just imagine your thought processes....
"Hmm, this guy has his vacation flag up, but his TB is about to expire. I'll read his vacation note"
"Sorry to all of my opponents, but a hurricane just hit my house, killing my entire family"
Adram rubs hands together with glee. "Easy points" LOL.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasOf course it doesn't make me feel bad, but why waste the site admin's time in ironing out major flaws in your proposal if the community can work together to do it? Unfortunately, you will only address the positives of your idea, which is entirely unhelpful.
If my proposal makes you feel bad and advice me to not go any further, I'm sorry not to obey your will. It's just a part of the democracy of RHP to have ones own opinion, me mine, you yours.
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Originally posted by Ragnorak
There can be no abuse of the current system, as defined by the site admin. There can only be misunderstanding of what the system is for...
"1) Players on vacation and their opponents can continue to move. It is only protection from timeout for a fixed number of days, nothing more.
2) A player must clear down games at risk from timeout before their vacation ends. Removal of the vacation flag will end any protection. The vacation page help will be updated to make this clear.
3) People can use their days as they please.
-Russ"
Now you either agree or disagree with the current system. As Fabian loves to bleat on about, that is your right, and nobody will deny you that right. However, you can not label players abusers or cheaters for using the system as it was meant to be used. You are simply misunderstanding it, which comes as no surprise considering your earlier posts in this thread.
My point was this, if they feel their opponent has an advantage over them, and they are in danger of TOing, if they wish, they may use the Timeout Immunity period according to number 3 above..
Have you ever "taken advantage" of a knight fork? Or en passent? How about "taking advantage of the castling rule to break a pin and bring your king to (relative) safety? Were you cheating in "taking advantage" of the rules of chess? 🙄
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Didn't you once tell me not to think too much on this subject?
Well, did you!
Anyway, keep up the good fight. Vacation is NOT a form of cheating. There are 365 or so days in a year, and we get to NOT MOVE IF WE DON'T WANT TO for 36 days. We can even move if we want to during those days.
The people who want these lock downs are being ignorant. They want quicker games, but they want to punish those who would move by not letting them move at all.
Again, 36 days is a finite number. No one can stay on vacation all year. RHP users voted for a vacation system, and we now have one. You need to figure that any game you play might go 5 weeks longer than you planned.
OH NO! A whole 5 weeks longer!!!
Please get over it vacation haters, you're wasting your time complaining about something that most users here wanted or at least understand how it functions.
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Originally posted by FabianFnasRead my post for some insight.
Why are you worried that other people have an opinion of themselves, Ragnorak? I don't understand...? There is no law about which opinions are right and there is no punishment having faulty opinions? Why is this so important to you?
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Originally posted by FabianFnasWhat are you talking about?
Why are you worried that other people have an opinion of themselves, Ragnorak? I don't understand...? There is no law about which opinions are right and there is no punishment having faulty opinions? Why is this so important to you?
Surely if you know somebody is wrong, you try to educate them. Tell me what part of my reply to zadadka was factually incorrect. It's blatantly obvious that he misunderstands the concept of the current vacation system.
Also, try to stay on topic. Getting emotional and targetting me doesn't help anybody, and it approaches trolling. If you really must know why I want to help the site and the people who misunderstand certain aspects of the site, start a new thread in general.
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Once some one called me a traditionalist in a pejorative way.
Now I propose an alternative concept to the current vacation system and get critisism for it in a pejorative way.
In both occations I just wrote about my opinions, nothing more.
The world is indeed funny...🙄
Originally posted by FabianFnasAgain you're going off topic, and now you're ranting too.
Once some one called me a traditionalist in a pejorative way.
Now I propose an alternative concept to the current vacation system and get critisism for it in a pejorative way.
In both occations I just wrote about my opinions, nothing more.
The world is indeed funny...🙄
Trying to iron out flaws with your proposal isn't pejorative criticism. That fact that you can't identify constructive criticism and that you will not discuss the obvious flaws with your proposal and the fact that you are so emotional on the topic means that anything other people write regarding your flawed proposal is a complete waste of time.
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Originally posted by RagnorakIf you feel better about it - I declare you the winner of this discussion. I don't mind, I don't have to defend anything.
Again you're going off topic, and now you're ranting too.
Trying to iron out flaws with your proposal isn't pejorative criticism. That fact that you can't identify constructive criticism and that you will not discuss the obvious flaws with your proposal and the fact that you are so emotional on the topic means that anything other people write regarding your flawed proposal is a complete waste of time.
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My points are given, perhaps not taken, but I have said what is had to be said.
Congratulations, Ragnorak, you've won.
Over and out.