09 Jan 08
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Originally posted by cmsMaster3. ..Qd6 is indeed a good try , advocated by strong GM Tiviakov.
3...Qd6 is a pretty legitimate line for black that might be nice if you guys don't like the feel of 2...Nf6 or 3...Qa5.
Ironically he lost 2 games last week in this line in a strong closed tournament in Reggio Emilia.
Here is a link to an article about those games.
http://www.chessvibes.com/?p=1531&langswitch_lang=en
09 Jan 08
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I guess in blitz games the Scandinavian Defense is really really hard to beat when your opponent has found a line which can be quite annoying for white.But without time pressure white can refuse evry idea and gain a solid win against the opponent.Top Level GMs smile when a player answer to their e4. with d.4 becuase they think :1-0 I can relax!!! ^_^
09 Jan 08
Originally posted by roaringking87Did you actually read about or actually ask GM's what they think when their opponent plays 1...d5 after 1 e4, or are you just a really good mind-reader? 🙂
I guess in blitz games the Scandinavian Defense is really really hard to beat when your opponent has found a line which can be quite annoying for white.But without time pressure white can refuse evry idea and gain a solid win against the opponent.Top Level GMs smile when a player answer to their e4. with d.4 becuase they think :1-0 I can relax!!! ^_^
10 Jan 08
Originally posted by roaringking87and then they lose.
...Top Level GMs smile when a player answer to their e4. with d.4 becuase they think :1-0 I can relax!!! ^_^
[Event "Mtel Masters"]
[Site "Sofia BUL"]
[Date "2007.05.10"]
[EventDate "2007.05.10"]
[Round "1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Veselin Topalov"]
[Black "Liviu Dieter Nisipeanu"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "2772"]
[BlackElo "2693"]
[PlyCount "94"]
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd6 4. g3 Nf6 5. Bg2 c6 6. d4 g6
7. Bf4 Qb4 8. Nge2 Bg7 9. Qc1 O-O 10. O-O Bg4 11. a3 Qa5
12. h3 Bxe2 13. Nxe2 Nbd7 14. c4 e5 15. b4 Qc7 16. dxe5 Nxe5
17. Qc2 a5 18. Rae1 axb4 19. axb4 Rfe8 20. c5 Nd5 21. Bd2 Nd7
22. Qc4 N7f6 23. g4 h5 24. Ng3 hxg4 25. hxg4 Qd7 26. g5 Rxe1
27. Rxe1 Ne8 28. Bf3 Nec7 29. Bg4 Qd8 30. Kg2 Nb5 31. Rd1 Ra1
32. Rxa1 Bxa1 33. Bf3 Be5 34. Ne2 Ndc7 35. Be3 Ne6 36. Bg4
Nbc7 37. Qe4 Bg7 38. f4 Qd1 39. Kf2 Bc3 40. b5 Qe1+ 41. Kg2
Nd5 42. bxc6 bxc6 43. Qd3 Bd4 44. Bxe6 Nxe3+ 45. Kh2 Qf2+
46. Kh3 Qf3+ 47. Ng3 Qg2+ 0-1
10 Jan 08
Originally posted by wormwoodTouche!
and then they lose.
[Event "Mtel Masters"]
[Site "Sofia BUL"]
[Date "2007.05.10"]
[EventDate "2007.05.10"]
[Round "1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Veselin Topalov"]
[Black "Liviu Dieter Nisipeanu"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "2772"]
[BlackElo "2693"]
[PlyCount "94"]
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd6 4. g3 Nf6 5. Bg2 c6 6. d4 g6
7. Bf4 Qb4 8. Nge2 B ...[text shortened]... 6 43. Qd3 Bd4 44. Bxe6 Nxe3+ 45. Kh2 Qf2+
46. Kh3 Qf3+ 47. Ng3 Qg2+ 0-1
10 Jan 08
while I was looking for scandinavian games on chessgames.com, I noticed sergei tiviakov has quite the record with it: only 3 losses out of 30 games. 9 wins and 18 draws. all of them played 2005 or later. all of the games I looked at were Qd6.
then again, maybe it's a biased sample? I don't have any databases installed, so could someone check from a more comprehensive db?
10 Jan 08
Originally posted by jvanhineThe great Dr. Siegbert Tarrasch was one of the few chess teachers even to this day to correctly point out that after 1 e4 d5 2 ed Qxd5, it is WHITE who is a tempo down, not Black! After two moves, Black has a piece developed and White has nothing developed. However, White regains his LOST TEMPO by playing 3 Nc3. While it's true that Black will probably have to move his Queen again in the late opening/early middlegame stage, this is often because White develops his QB "passively" on d2, with the possible threat of a discovery on the Black Queen when the QN moves. After the Queen flees, White will probably have to also re-deploy his QB to a move active square.
my opinion is at first glance it looks like a total waste of tempo, but there are natual lines in it that can really work.
14 Jan 08
Originally posted by wormwoodMaybe we can take a look at the statistics or at the following game:
and then they lose.
[Event "Mtel Masters"]
[Site "Sofia BUL"]
[Date "2007.05.10"]
[EventDate "2007.05.10"]
[Round "1"]
[Result "0-1"]
[White "Veselin Topalov"]
[Black "Liviu Dieter Nisipeanu"]
[ECO "B01"]
[WhiteElo "2772"]
[BlackElo "2693"]
[PlyCount "94"]
1. e4 d5 2. exd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qd6 4. g3 Nf6 5. Bg2 c6 6. d4 g6
7. Bf4 Qb4 8. Nge2 B ...[text shortened]... 6 43. Qd3 Bd4 44. Bxe6 Nxe3+ 45. Kh2 Qf2+
46. Kh3 Qf3+ 47. Ng3 Qg2+ 0-1
Topalov,Veselin (2801) - Kamsky,Gata (2686) [B01]
Corus Wijk aan Zee (1), 14.01.2006
[Finkel,A]
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nxd5 4.d4 Bf5 5.Bd3 Bxd3 6.Qxd3 e6 7.0-0 Nc6 8.c4 Nb6 [8...Nf6 9.Nc3 Be7 10.Bf4 0-0 11.Rad1 Qd7 12.Ne5 Qe8 13.Qf3 Bd6 14.c5² Mikhalchishin,A-Ubilava,E/Rostov on Don 1980] 9.Nc3 Be7 10.Bf4 g5? Breaking one of the most important principles of opening strategy - Black starts active operations before taking care of the king. Against a player of Topalov's caliber one can't afford himself such a luxury! [10...0-0 11.Rad1 Bf6 12.Ne4 Rc8?! 13.Nfg5 Bxg5 14.Nxg5 g6 15.d5 exd5 16.cxd5 Nb4 17.Qh3± Skrjabin,I-Parkkinen,J/Kajaani 1999] 11.Bg3 g4 12.Ne5 Nxd4 Black wins a pawn, but his king won't be safe till the end of the game... [No better was 12...Qxd4 13.Qe2 Qc5 14.Ne4 Qb4 15.b3 h5 16.Rfd1ƒ] 13.c5! The most accurate way to meet Black's advanturous play. [Another promising alternative was 13.Rad1!? c5 14.Ne2 h5 15.Nxd4 cxd4 16.c5!±] 13...Bxc5 14.Rad1 0-0 [14...f6 15.Nxg4 Nd7 16.Nb5!±] 15.Ne4 Be7 16.Nxg4!± Intending to decide the game by a direct attack on Black's king. [16.Qxd4 Qxd4 17.Rxd4 c5 18.Rdd1 f5 19.Nd7 fxe4 20.Nxf8 Rxf8 21.Rfe1±] 16...c5 [16...Nf5 17.Qc3 Nd5 18.Rxd5 exd5 19.Nef6+ Kh8 20.Be5+-;
16...f5 17.Nh6+ Kg7 18.Be5+ Kxh6 19.Qh3+ Kg6 20.Bxd4 Nd5 21.Nc3±] 17.b4?! It takes Fritz a second to find a forced win! [17.Be5! f6 18.Ng5 Nf5 (18...fxg5 19.Nh6🙄 19.Nh6++-] 17...Nd5 18.bxc5?! He misses the same forced win again! [18.Be5! Nf5 19.Nh6+ Nxh6 20.Qg3++-] 18...Nf5 19.Qf3 Unfortunately for Kamsky his position remains hopeless. 19...Rc8 20.Bd6 Nxd6 [20...Bxd6 21.Rxd5 exd5 22.Nef6+ Kg7 23.Qxf5+-;
20...Rc6 21.Rxd5 exd5 22.Qxf5 dxe4 23.Nh6+ Kg7 24.Qe5+ Bf6 25.Qh5±] 21.cxd6 Bh4 22.d7 Rc6 [22...Rc7 23.Rxd5 exd5 24.Nef6+ Bxf6 25.Nxf6+ Kg7 26.Ne8+ Rxe8 27.dxe8Q Qxe8 28.Qg3++-] 23.Ne5 Rc7 24.Qg4+ Kh8 25.Nd6 1-0
Old good Topalov... 🙂
14 Jan 08
Originally posted by roaringking87that's the only loss for kamsky with the scandinavian out of 7 games on chessgames.com. and the loss was against the reigning world champion, the same year topalov reached the second highest rating of all time. not too shabby in my opinion.
Maybe we can take a look at the statistics or at the following game:
Topalov,Veselin (2801) - Kamsky,Gata (2686) [B01]
Corus Wijk aan Zee (1), 14.01.2006
[Finkel,A]
1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.Nf3 Nxd5 4.d4 Bf5 5.Bd3 Bxd3 6.Qxd3 e6 7.0-0 Nc6 8.c4 Nb6 [8...Nf6 9.Nc3 Be7 10.Bf4 0-0 11.Rad1 Qd7 12.Ne5 Qe8 13.Qf3 Bd6 14.c5² Mikhalchishin,A-Ubilava,E/Rosto ...[text shortened]... + Rxe8 27.dxe8Q Qxe8 28.Qg3++-] 23.Ne5 Rc7 24.Qg4+ Kh8 25.Nd6 1-0
Old good Topalov... 🙂
well, he did lose one playing white, but that was against tiviakov who seems to be just lethal with the scandinavian.
kamsky's scandinavians on chessgames.com:
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?yearcomp=exactly&year=&playercomp=either&pid=&player=&pid2=15874&player2=&movescomp=exactly&moves=&opening=B01&eco=&result=
15 Jan 08
Originally posted by wormwoodI'me sure about one thing:both are beautiful games 🙂
that's the only loss for kamsky with the scandinavian out of 7 games on chessgames.com. and the loss was against the reigning world champion, the same year topalov reached the second highest rating of all time. not too shabby in my opinion.
well, he did lose one playing white, but that was against tiviakov who seems to be just lethal with the scandinavia ...[text shortened]... comp=either&pid=&player=&pid2=15874&player2=&movescomp=exactly&moves=&opening=B01&eco=&result=