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Why is this game a draw?

Why is this game a draw?

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odoodsdudes

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Surely one of them can try and win from here!Game 6272708

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Because neither side wants to risk losing it.
Or they don't find the position very interesting.

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The position is particularly interesting though!

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Kind of a heartless way to play chess wouldnt you say?

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It's certainly very interesting. e.g. At first glance I thought Black could win a piece after 29. Rxa3 Nb4, but I think after 30. Bc1 it might be White who is on top.

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WORK

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A bunch of Pussies. That is why.

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Not necessarily cowardly. It's not uncommon for one side to analyse a position, decide that he is slightly worse off and so offer a draw. His opponent may then see a combination that the first player has missed and so accept the draw.

Talisman

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Originally posted by Weadley
A bunch of Pussies. That is why.
Yes very constructive.

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That it something I will try to remember to teach my kids that in this day and age no one will ever lose. Never try to overcome your obsticles, just simply give up

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Originally posted by SubGrappler
That it something I will try to remember to teach my kids that in this day and age no one will ever lose. Never try to overcome your obsticles, just simply give up
Or you could never start ........................................

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Originally posted by SubGrappler
That it something I will try to remember to teach my kids that in this day and age no one will ever lose. Never try to overcome your obsticles, just simply give up
Nobody gave up,they drew.
Fat Lady made a good point: maybe both sides thought they were losing.

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The final move of the game was Bxa3. So the game continues 1. Rxa3 and Black takes stock.

He's a pawn up but with two unflattering Ns against two imposing Bs. The latter give good compensation for the pawn. But there's more. The tactic 1...Nb4 doesn't work at all. 2. Bc1 is not the way to go because it walks into 2...Nxd5; 3. Bxb2 Nf4+ with a very bad game for White. So the refutation, and the reason the position is stone-cold drawn, is 2. a5+ when 2...Ka7; 3. Be3+ Kb8; 4.Bf4+ is repetition (& 3...Ka8? loses to 4. Bxb7+ winning the R). Black can look at moves other than 1...Nb4 but nothing improves his position or prevents 2. a5 if White wants the draw

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It was a Clan v Clan game The Vikings v The Dao of Poo.
The match was already won by the Vikings.
The two players agreed a draw in their other game in a position
where there was still a lot chess in the position.

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Perhaps with the match over they wanted to lighten their game load.

I like the games of Pirahna Pack, usually they are interesting.

odoodsdudes

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it would be interesting to see you play piranha pack

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Originally posted by atticus2
The final move of the game was Bxa3. So the game continues 1. Rxa3 and Black takes stock.

He's a pawn up but with two unflattering Ns against two imposing Bs. The latter give good compensation for the pawn. But there's more. The tactic 1...Nb4 doesn't work at all. 2. Bc1 is not the way to go because it walks into 2...Nxd5; 3. Bxb2 Nf4+ with a very bad g ...[text shortened]... ther than 1...Nb4 but nothing improves his position or prevents 2. a5 if White wants the draw
Bishops aren't better in and of themselves. They are just a factor on the board and the myth that they are better stems from the fact that, in general, it is easier to bring about a position where they are good. BUT in this position they have already reached their prime, they will not get any better from here. Whereas the knights can become pretty dominating if the kingside pawns are traded. So a general plan for black would be to trade those pawns, keep the rooks then point your guns at whites a pawn which would fall since black has an extra piece to attack it with after winning that pawn trade off the rooks and win the endgame. Given this I would say that whites chances of winning are slim so, if I were white, I would take the draw if offered or I would try for that perpetual but can't black interpose with the knight? I may be mistaken on that so will take another look.

Edit: if no ...Nb4, black has ....Ne5 which stops the perpetual. Also, if no ...Nb4 can black play ...Ka8 since there is no Bxb7+. It seems like ...Nb4 walks into a perpetual. I'm probably missing something here though.

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