25 Jun 08
Originally posted by eatmybishopYes, they would. The more information each player has about the cards remaining in the deck(s), the better it is for them because they can make more informed decisions on marginal plays. The colluding players wouldn't have a complete stranglehold on the game, but the advantage would be significant (I'm guessing somewhere in the neighbourhood of a 55-60% chance of winning overall for the group).
okay, can someone answer me this, if everyone playing blackjack knows each other and has a system to tell each other what cards they have, would the group then have greater odds of beating the dealer?
25 Jun 08
Originally posted by PBE6I haven't done the math, but I know that the overall odds of the group winning is still less than 50% since the players' hands at a blackjack table in a casino are typically dealt face up.
Yes, they would. The more information each player has about the cards remaining in the deck(s), the better it is for them because they can make more informed decisions on marginal plays. The colluding players wouldn't have a complete stranglehold on the game, but the advantage would be significant (I'm guessing somewhere in the neighbourhood of a 55-60% chance of winning overall for the group).
25 Jun 08
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Originally posted by eatmybishopYou don't need a 'strategy' to know what the other players' cards are. All cards for the players are dealt face-up in a casino.
okay, can someone answer me this, if everyone playing blackjack knows each other and has a system to tell each other what cards they have, would the group then have greater odds of beating the dealer?
25 Jun 08
Originally posted by richjohnson😳 Oops, good point! I forgot they're dealt face up. I agree with everyone else now, the knowledge of the other player's cards won't help. Collusion might still help a bit, by having one player sacrifice their hand for another's benefit in a knowledgeable way (although the effect of another player's decisions on your odds is nil when carried out randomly), but it probably wouldn't be much of an advantage.
I haven't done the math, but I know that the overall odds of the group winning is still less than 50% since the players' hands at a blackjack table in a casino are typically dealt face up.
After looking this up on the Wizard's site, I found the following somewhat related link:
http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/appendix16.html
This is a basic strategy for the case where the dealer accidentally exposes the hole card. If the rules are generous to the player, the player advantage can be up to about 10% based on the extra info.
26 Jun 08
Originally posted by forkedknightyes, of course, i forgot about that... i guess this is why card counting comes in handy....
You don't need a 'strategy' to know what the other players' cards are. All cards for the players are dealt face-up in a casino.
how about if i bet $1 and lose, i bet $2, if i lose i bet $4... etc.... surely eventually i would win and win my money back... i'm sure this is nothing new but wondered why more people dont do it
26 Jun 08
Originally posted by eatmybishopThe reason it's not used very much is that (1) you only win $1 each time, (2) you risc losing everything you have with a certain probability (3) It's not fun in the long run and (4) is it permitted in the first hand by the casino?
how about if i bet $1 and lose, i bet $2, if i lose i bet $4... etc.... surely eventually i would win and win my money back... i'm sure this is nothing new but wondered why more people dont do it
26 Jun 08
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Originally posted by FabianFnasYes, see my thread titled "Blackjack" if you care to look at this further. You need a table that will allow a bet range between $1 and $2048 (unheard of -- most casinos allow $5-100 for the cheap tables) in order to have a 23% chance to win $2048. That betting strategy just doesn't hold up in a real casino.
The reason it's not used very much is that (1) you only win $1 each time, (2) you risc losing everything you have with a certain probability (3) It's not fun in the long run and (4) is it permitted in the first hand by the casino?