@sonhouse saidYou watch the whole thing? He sets up every point he makes early on.
@KellyJay
You have link to that You tube?
One thing I see, there is new work showing a much earlier evidence of life on Earth than was thought at the time of this video:
https://new.nsf.gov/news/new-models-shed-light-lifes-origin
Also he talks about the chemical experiment zapping chemicals with electricity and uses that as an argument against natural development of ...[text shortened]... w weeks long or so and ignoring the millions of years there was no life on Earth and then there was.
@sonhouse saidYes on link, I don’t typically copy paste with my phone so worse case when I get home.
@KellyJay
You have link to that You tube?
One thing I see, there is new work showing a much earlier evidence of life on Earth than was thought at the time of this video:
https://new.nsf.gov/news/new-models-shed-light-lifes-origin
Also he talks about the chemical experiment zapping chemicals with electricity and uses that as an argument against natural development of ...[text shortened]... w weeks long or so and ignoring the millions of years there was no life on Earth and then there was.
@sonhouse saidIt’s old and I not positive but I believe he has since died I maybe wrong. Anyone who speaks about that subject is going to have an agenda it is up to us to weigh what they say against reality as we know it is not as we want it to be.
@KellyJay
It is a long presentation, I am only about half way through. But one thing is clear. He has an agenda. Which is to support the Goddidit theory.
When did he make that speech?
@KellyJay
I don't think there is ANY newer evidence that would convince you life came about naturally. Not even if some future experiment produced clear life in a test tube.
You have admitted to that already.
So it is clear there is no way to change your mind on this subject.
If and when life is discovered elsewhere in the solar system alone, like the probes going past Europa with its spewing water jets, if they found life there, it would rewrite the history of life on Earth and I am not saying anyone found life there, just saying if they did find such life, it would say at the very least if GODDIDIT, now God made life all around the universe and that story would poke holes in the idea mankind is so special in the scheme of things.
@sonhouse saidIf you could show life starting from non-life with experimental intervention by scientists isn’t that ID, the only way you could prove it is without interference. I don’t have problems with saying intelligent agents could code complex integrated systems to cause highly complex work to be done.
@KellyJay
I don't think there is ANY newer evidence that would convince you life came about naturally. Not even if some future experiment produced clear life in a test tube.
You have admitted to that already.
So it is clear there is no way to change your mind on this subject.
If and when life is discovered elsewhere in the solar system alone, like the probes going past E ...[text shortened]... universe and that story would poke holes in the idea mankind is so special in the scheme of things.
Personally I think it is not me with issues showing what I believe is true but those who think its all possible inspite of the evidence.
The Doctor is talking about what we can do and what we see. What did you think of the data gleaned from the meteor and who directed their experiments and observations?
@sonhouse
One thing I hear him say is life makes life, reiterating even the possibility of life coming from mud or whatever.
But he is of course not biased right? Don't forget, this is a 40 + year old presentation and a lot of life water has passed under the bridge since then.
That was back when the space shuttle was bussing folks to ISS.
And I wonder what Pelzer would say if we ever found life squirting out of the juice shooting out of the surface of Europa where it is thought there is a 40 mile deep ocean there with more water on that small moon than then entre planet of Earth, and of course there has been no such find yet but there are ongoing experimental probes to do exactly that, plunge through those jets of water now known by the Webb scope to be shooting up a thousand miles or more above the surface which means if there IS life there, that stuff could transverse it's way across the solar system and at least seed planets most anywhere in the solar system with at least prebiotic life chemicals which would throw a monkey wrench in the theory it would take many many billions of years for life to form from mud.
And of course that hasn't happened, just saying that could be one outcome if such life ever was detected in those water jets.
The thing about Europa is it is totally shielded from the massive magnetic field of Jupiter and the radiation streaming from that planet. BUT there is continuous bumping around of the surface by tidal forces generating heat permanently under the surface allowing for liquid water in spite of the fact it is some one billion miles from the sun.
@KellyJay
It is obvious he is well educated and such but his agenda is an attempt to scientifically prove GODDIDIT.
But that was decades old research like the miller experiment which you no doubt know all about, but an experiment running for a few days he makes it an argument that the literal billions of years that has gone by on Earth and therefore literally trillions of Miller experiments and more complex stuff appears and now we see actual life fossils way earlier than we ever thought possible. Like maybe 3 or 400 million years after Earth formed, which was a bad place to be with the entire crust basically melted and on fire but it did cool down millions of years later and now life fossils have been found WAY before the time we used to think happened which is one of the main thesis's of Peltzer, not enough time but now we know there was literally hundreds of millions years where we thought there was ZERO life on Earth.
@sonhouse saidYou have to watch the whole thing; he did not discuss anything that cannot be replicated in a lab.
@KellyJay
It is obvious he is well educated and such but his agenda is an attempt to scientifically prove GODDIDIT.
But that was decades old research like the miller experiment which you no doubt know all about, but an experiment running for a few days he makes it an argument that the literal billions of years that has gone by on Earth and therefore literally trillions of ...[text shortened]... e know there was literally hundreds of millions years where we thought there was ZERO life on Earth.
@sonhouse said
@KellyJay
You have link to that You tube?
One thing I see, there is new work showing a much earlier evidence of life on Earth than was thought at the time of this video:
https://new.nsf.gov/news/new-models-shed-light-lifes-origin
Also he talks about the chemical experiment zapping chemicals with electricity and uses that as an argument against natural development of ...[text shortened]... w weeks long or so and ignoring the millions of years there was no life on Earth and then there was.
Here was the poem he based it on.
Conceived in covenant.
Formed by mighty hands in the darkness.
A hope for a life of giggles and smiles, of laughter and joy, story telling, and wonder.
What joy and wonder as she arrives, little hands and feet, a smile so sweet.
With pain and sorrow a troubled heart, a year, a week, a day or two.
Now she is on streets of gold. In the nail pierced hands.
No pain or sorrow can touch her now.
She waits with him for others coming.
A hope for a life of giggles and smiles, of laughter and joy, story telling, and wonder.
Kelly J. Johnson