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Originally posted by FabianFnas
You don't believe in BigBang, then how can you have any opinion (it's not knowledge for sure) about it?

I don't believe in everything from nothing, have you seen that occur?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
As I have pointed out to you design does not automatically mean
God

"God" is the only answer you supplied when I asked you what designer doesn't fall victim to an infinite regression. Unless you can supply a different answer, Intelligent Design does imply God, at least as argued by you here.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't believe in everything from nothing, have you seen that occur?
Kelly

….I don't believe in everything from nothing
..…

Neither do I nor anyone who understands the big bang theory.
The big bang theory doesn’t say the universe came from nothing.
At no point in time was there nothing.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't believe in everything from nothing, have you seen that occur?
Kelly

So you don't believe in the divine creation anymore? Have you converted to atheism all of a sudden?

Originally posted by Andrew Hamilton
[b]….I don't believe in everything from nothing
..…

Neither do I nor anyone who understands the big bang theory.
The big bang theory doesn’t say the universe came from nothing.
At no point in time was there nothing.[/b]

Umm., yes it does. There just isn´t a particular problem with that. Something from nothing is allowed by quantum mechanics. It´s just got to be not very much for not very long. The universe got a free extension because of inflation.

Originally posted by DeepThought
Umm., yes it does. There just isn´t a particular problem with that. Something from nothing is allowed by quantum mechanics. It´s just got to be not very much for not very long. The universe got a free extension because of inflation.

"quantum mechanics" is something.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
"quantum mechanics" is something.
Kelly

You must be joking here, Kelly, a very mysterious kind of humour, but still humour, right?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
You must be joking here, Kelly, a very mysterious kind of humour, but still humour, right?

Rules, laws, forces, are all parts of reality, they are in fact something
that causes reality to take the shape it does. If you have those things
in place, that is not a universe with nothing in it.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Rules, laws, forces, are all parts of reality, they are in fact something
that causes reality to take the shape it does. If you have those things
in place, that is not a universe with nothing in it.
Kelly

Before the divine creation, there was nothing, wasn't it? And god said, whatever he said, and there it was, from nothing to everything. What's the difference?

Originally posted by DeepThought
Umm., yes it does. There just isn´t a particular problem with that. Something from nothing is allowed by quantum mechanics. It´s just got to be not very much for not very long. The universe got a free extension because of inflation.

According to inflation/big bang theory, was there any point in time when there was “nothing” -I mean, was there any point in time when literally ‘nothing’ existed? -not even a singularity?

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Before the divine creation, there was nothing, wasn't it? And god said, whatever he said, and there it was, from nothing to everything. What's the difference?

Well, you want to talk about creation over evolution, ID and creation?
I'll talk to you here about it, but again you are the one bringing God
into this!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Well, you want to talk about creation over evolution, ID and creation?
I'll talk to you here about it, but again you are the one bringing God
into this!
Kelly

You sad there can be anything out of nothing. I prove you wrong, scientifically.

Edit: Erased the fraud part...

Originally posted by FabianFnas
You sad there can be anything out of nothing. I prove you wrong, scientifically. You're a fraud. Proven!

I don't recall you showing me how you or anyone can get anything
out of nothing, please prove it, or I'll call you a fraud.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't recall you showing me how you or anyone can get anything
out of nothing, please prove it, or I'll call you a fraud.
Kelly

I don't. That's not the point. You say that nothing can come out of nothing, thereforre you deny creation. right? Creation gives the whole Universe out of nothing, just by the word of your god, nein? So, evidently you deny creation, and your god too. Proven.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
I don't. That's not the point. You say that nothing can come out of nothing, thereforre you deny creation. right? Creation gives the whole Universe out of nothing, just by the word of your god, nein? So, evidently you deny creation, and your god too. Proven.

Creation has an eternal God that never changes, so there will never
be a point in time where you get everything from nothing. Now, please
show me how you think nothing can produce everthing! I guess the
limitations you have are it must be science that gives you the process
so we should have evidence or proof to back up your claims.
Kelly