All eyes evolved from a common ancestor!

Originally posted by KellyJay
Now I'm saying you need to bring up the posts where I said I did have
them, because without a doubt I don't think those words ever left my
keyboard. What I think happened is you, as you have a habit of doing
simply started thinking you knew what it was I believed and just gave
me credit for something you 'believe' I actually think. It does not
really m ...[text shortened]... the things you accuse
me of, it is enough for you to believe it so it must be true.
Kelly

Does this mean that you don't anymore belive that dinosaurs actually lived in the same time as human beings? Have you changed you mind or have you come into sound senses all of a sudden? Or are you simply saved from ignorance by som superrational force?

Question: Do you belive that dinosaurs actually lived in the same time as human beings? Yes or no is enough. Yes or no, that's a simple answer. I'm happy with a yes or no.

I'm not happy if you avoid the question.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Does this mean that you don't anymore belive that dinosaurs actually lived in the same time as human beings? Have you changed you mind or have you come into sound senses all of a sudden? Or are you simply saved from ignorance by som superrational force?

Question: Do you belive that dinosaurs actually lived in the same time as human beings? Yes or no is ...[text shortened]... t's a simple answer. I'm happy with a yes or no.

I'm not happy if you avoid the question.

No it means you should start reading what I post instead of making
things up and act like I said them.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
No it means you should start reading what I post instead of making
things up and act like I said them.
Kelly

Again you avoided the question. You usually do that when you don't want to answer. Tell me that you don't want to answer instead of stalling, because then I can drqaw my own conclusions.

Again (sigh):

Question: Do you belive that dinosaurs actually lived in the same time as human beings? Yes or no is enough. Yes or no, that's a simple answer. I'm happy with a yes or no.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Specific points selected from longer post.
I only shifted my position...

...then they have the audacity of belittling another’s faith...

With respect to confidence levels, I've been exposed to enough
process's to know that changing conditions yield different results...

The problem is there are always about 6 different arguments going on at once, and it gets difficult to focus on one of them.

My parents are Christians and I was brought up as one. I´m not belittling your faith. There is a qualification to this though. The central God is Lord and Jesus died for our sins belief is not one I share, but don´t have any particular problem with. I can´t prove that God did not cause the big bang rather than a quantum fluctuation starting things off. I can even cope with the idea of God giving evolution ¨a nudge in the right direction¨ every now and again - although I don´t see any particular need for God to ever materially intervene in the world. What gives me problems is an insistence on a literal interpretation of the Bible that contradicts direct observation.

We work on the assumption that the universe isn´t a conspiracy. But there are good reasons to believe that these basic assumptions are correct. To give an illustration, one of the assumptions in most cosmological models is isotropy - the universe looks the same in all directions. The basic motivation is that high levels of symmetry alway make problems easier to solve. At the longest distance scales (over 100 Mpc) this is what is observed. The property is reflected in the cosmic microwave background. The isotropy of the cosmic microwave background is tested by sending up satellites to map it. Essentially the assumption is good. The basic assumptions in scientific theories are under constant scrutiny - if you want a job for life then disproving relativity or something is going to do it.

Originally posted by FabianFnas
Again you avoided the question. You usually do that when you don't want to answer. Tell me that you don't want to answer instead of stalling, because then I can drqaw my own conclusions.

Again (sigh):

Question: Do you belive that dinosaurs actually lived in the same time as human beings? Yes or no is enough. Yes or no, that's a simple answer. I'm happy with a yes or no.

I do believe they lived together yes.
Kelly

Originally posted by DeepThought
The problem is there are always about 6 different arguments going on at once, and it gets difficult to focus on one of them.

My parents are Christians and I was brought up as one. I´m not belittling your faith. There is a qualification to this though. The central God is Lord and Jesus died for our sins belief is not one I share, but don´t have any ...[text shortened]... scrutiny - if you want a job for life then disproving relativity or something is going to do it.

Your 'reasons' for believing what you do are yours not mine I don't
share your reasons I have my own. That is the way it is, the facts
are you don't accept certain things so it colors how you view others
as true or false. True seeing, understanding reality is what we are
talking about, and when there are points that lay down the foundation
for all things that come after, those are the points that should be
the more carefully examined in my opinion. I know there are about
6 different conversations going here at once, I'm in most of them and
from time to time I'll react to one while talking in another. It is
frustrating to all when any of us do that. I have to get ready for work
so I'll come back to this.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I do believe they lived together yes.
Kelly

I hate to break it to you but 1,000,000 BC isn´t really true.

Originally posted by DeepThought
I hate to break it to you but 1,000,000 BC isn´t really true.

What isn't true that was 1,000,000 years before Jesus Christ or that
they didn't live together?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
What isn't true that was 1,000,000 years before Jesus Christ or that
they didn't live together?
Kelly

1,000,000 BC was a film from Hammer Productions from the sixties with Raquel Welch in an animal skin bikini being chased by dinosaurs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Years_B.C.

Originally posted by DeepThought
1,000,000 BC was a film from Hammer Productions from the sixties with Raquel Welch in an animal skin bikini being chased by dinosaurs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Million_Years_B.C.

Another film that KellyJay has gotten his information from is "The Flintstones".
Sorry KJ, but you really have to read some books too. You know, movies is not always true. 😀

Originally posted by KellyJay
I do believe they lived together yes.
Kelly

Thank you for this answer, my friend KellyJay. I really appreciate it.
Now, do you have any proof for your belief, or it is only an opinion of yours?

I will take you seriously in this. I look up your proof and we go from there.

Originally posted by KellyJay
What isn't true that was 1,000,000 years before Jesus Christ or that
they didn't live together?
Kelly

Slightly more serious answer. If dinosaurs and humans coexisted, then we should find their fossils in the same strata, but don´t. How do you reconcile this with your assertion that they coexisted?

Originally posted by DeepThought
Slightly more serious answer. If dinosaurs and humans coexisted, then we should find their fossils in the same strata, but don´t. How do you reconcile this with your assertion that they coexisted?

Why would you think they would have to be found in the same strata?
Is it because you believe strata are only made by time over time?
If we were to see layers laid down quickly over a very short time as
in hours or days, would that change anything with respect for not
finding them together?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Why would you think they would have to be found in the same strata?
Is it because you believe strata are only made by time over time?
If we were to see layers laid down quickly over a very short time as
in hours or days, would that change anything with respect for not
finding them together?
Kelly

A mass dieing over such a short time would make fossils of different species more likely to be found together not less. Human fossils are not found in the same strata as dinosaur fossils, not even close. You have to explain this as a global flood explanation is going to produce strata of the same type everywhere and you need human fossils in the same strata as dinosaur fossils if humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time.

Originally posted by DeepThought
A mass dieing over such a short time would make fossils of different species more likely to be found together not less. Human fossils are not found in the same strata as dinosaur fossils, not even close. You have to explain this as a global flood explanation is going to produce strata of the same type everywhere and you need human fossils in the same strata as dinosaur fossils if humans and dinosaurs existed at the same time.

Really, and why is that, if you were a person and something so bad
was about to happen to you, you are about to be buried alive so fast
you would turn into a fossil you'd run to where the very large animals
were for protection? Since those animals would be freeking out too,
that to me seems a very bad idea.
Kelly