@KellyJay
I watched most of it. It was mostly chemistry but the agenda was in what he didn't have to say, the whole object was a religious tome using science to prove his point which he didn't have to say, he left it up to the listeners to come to their own conclusions.
It was still last century and science does roll on.
You would not accept scientists making life in the lab starting with mud and sparks,
even if the could, you would just say it proves intelligent design.
For instance, he says abiogenesis 'tests' our faith.
If you see us as highly evolved mud you come to a different conclusion 'if you see yourself as a child of god'
If that doesn't say it is a tome on why science is wrong and GODDIDIT is right, I am missing something.
@sonhouse saidYeah, I bet while you were listening to it the only thing you were doing was trying to find something to complain about, we can stop here you were deceptive, and nothing you say now I can trust.
@KellyJay
I watched most of it. It was mostly chemistry but the agenda was in what he didn't have to say, the whole object was a religious tome using science to prove his point which he didn't have to say, he left it up to the listeners to come to their own conclusions.
It was still last century and science does roll on.
You would not accept scientists making life in the ...[text shortened]... that doesn't say it is a tome on why science is wrong and GODDIDIT is right, I am missing something.
@KellyJay
I am just saying science rolls on. Here is an actual 21st century piece published in nature showing much more complexity in prebiotics than Peltzer saw in his research.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-019-1015-y
even this piece is now 5 years old.
And this:
"Alkanes increase the stability of early life membrane models under extreme pressure and temperature conditions
Loreto Misuraca, Bruno Demé, Philippe Oger & Judith Peters
Communications Chemistry volume 4, Article number: 24 (2021) Cite this article
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Terrestrial life appeared on our planet within a time window of [4.4–3.5] billion years ago. During that time, it is suggested that the first proto-cellular forms developed in the surrounding of deep-sea hydrothermal vents, oceanic crust fractures that are still present nowadays. However, these environments are characterized by extreme temperature and pressure conditions that question the early membrane compartment’s capability to endure a stable structural state. Recent studies proposed an adaptive strategy employed by present-day extremophiles: the use of apolar molecules as structural membrane components in order to tune the bilayer dynamic response when needed. Here we extend this hypothesis on early life protomembrane models, using linear and branched alkanes as apolar stabilizing molecules of prebiotic relevance. The structural ordering and chain dynamics of these systems have been investigated as a function of temperature and pressure. We found that both types of alkanes studied, even the simplest linear ones, impact highly the multilamellar vesicle ordering and chain dynamics. Our data show that alkane-enriched membranes have a lower multilamellar vesicle swelling induced by the temperature increase and are significantly less affected by pressure variation as compared to alkane-free samples, suggesting a possible survival strategy for the first living forms."
I am just saying there is newer work that supports the creation of cell structures amenable to later real living cells.
And of course both of these abstracts are just on the road to proving abiogenesis and is not literal proof yet.
@sonhouse saidFind someone else to talk to about this, you've burnt your bridge here with me. I'll talk to you about things that I don't have to trust your word you've done something.
@KellyJay
I am just saying science rolls on. Here is an actual 21st century piece published in nature showing much more complexity in prebiotics than Peltzer saw in his research.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-019-1015-y
even this piece is now 5 years old.
And this:
"Alkanes increase the stability of early life membrane models under extreme pressure an ...[text shortened]... se both of these abstracts are just on the road to proving abiogenesis and is not literal proof yet.
@KellyJay saidDNA replication is a very complex biochemical process. The ability to replicate DNA in cells requires DNA templates that encode the polymerases. To make those polymerases that replicate DNA, cells also need not only the additional enzymes to transcribe DNA into RNA, but also the enzymes to translate RNA into protein.
https://youtu.be/BV4zYZXpocY
The math is against you.
If you do the math, there are 473 different genes which make up the minimum requirement to sustain life.
This issue gets simplified a lot to the chicken/egg.
@wildgrass saidHow does a template get created?
DNA replication is a very complex biochemical process. The ability to replicate DNA in cells requires DNA templates that encode the polymerases. To make those polymerases that replicate DNA, cells also need not only the additional enzymes to transcribe DNA into RNA, but also the enzymes to translate RNA into protein.
If you do the math, there are 473 different genes whic ...[text shortened]... up the minimum requirement to sustain life.
This issue gets simplified a lot to the chicken/egg.
@wildgrass saidSomething being replicated doesn't make it useful we are talking about a template that directs biological processes to some incredibly complex work.
It is replicated.
@wildgrass saidYou can replicate gibberish, replicate cancer, something that sets up an ongoing process to perform highly complex tasks is something else altogether.
A useful thing replicated is not useful? That's nonsense.
@wildgrass saidReplicating by a self is a necessary part of living systems, but it must be replicating something that moves towards a life friendly direction.
You asked a simple question, I provided a clear answer, now you complicate.