OK ,
1) What proof do you have that C19 specifically had any impact on 1917?
2) What organ damage are you referring to and where is this documented?
3) Introducing your American party politics into the is discussion is total BS and a
red herring, particularly as flu viruses don't vote (unless you can prove
otherwise).
4) I told you that the PCR primer was looking for part of DNA sequence (you didn't
even bother to look, just charged on with your none sense), to be precise the 18
character string on the 8th chromosome. That's why the using the PCR test to
detect any form of pathogen including C19 doesn't make sense - it can't test for a pathogen (go ask a hospital pharmacist).
The last third of your narrative is tosh and more smoke screens.
The difference between us is that I'm happy to discuss the science, while you
seem to want to indulge in political propaganda and tales of comic books that
you have read. For you I suspect this isn't about establishing truth but
attempting to save face.
I have no issues with vaccines (another of your diversions) as long as they are tested against a placebo [as Tony Faucci says "it's the gold standard"😉 ] administered to a parallel group as is done with the majority of clinical trials. If you want to discuss the C19 vaccine I will be delighted; I've been mesmerised by Bill Gate's every word on the subject.
Now unless I've got you mixed up with somebody else, I was under the impression that you were pretty big on the bible, which is why I re-introduced it; or do I have you confused with somebody else that Divegeester and FMF used to lock horns with regularly around a year ago?
@medullah
Do you always want other folks to do your research for you? Here is a bit about organ damage, all you had to do was input organ damage and covid19.
Took at LEAST ten seconds:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertglatter/2020/08/17/covid-19-can-cause-heart-damageeven-if-you-are-asymptomatic/?ocid=uxbndlbing#1c2e58d16cef
I attended the First Lutheran school and church in El Monte California K-8 and was pretty sick of religion at the end of that episode. My Grandmother was Pentacostal and told me at age 8 I better be baptized in the Pentacostal way, full dunking, that that silly sprinkle of water the Catholics and Lutherans do will send you to hell if you don't do it right.
That taught me a valuable lesson.
That ALL religions are 1, man made and 2 NOBODY knows JACK about a real god real or imagined.
I thank Grandma Rainwater every day for showing me the true nature of organized religions.
OK so you don’t actually address my questions (again), but it rather looks as though you were the very religious guy who has now changed his mind.
Of course this nonsense about looking for at “at least ten seconds” is a political ploy, namely accuse the other person of the crime that you are guilty of. You’re too busy trying to look good rather than applying yourself to the point of debate.
So this “research” that you claim to have made isn’t yours and it isn’t research; it is little more than political propaganda. Yes I read the article then went on to read other material that he has published; my first question would be “who sponsors him?”.
I can tell you categorically that it takes a minimum of five years to develop a vaccine. The SAVE Act can’t guarantee safety, all it can do is create a false sense of security, as five years of research takes five years. This is in part why Gates want’s a waver from governments across the world to protect the vaccine manufacturers from litigation in the event of vaccine damage, which I would suggest is very like from the way that he’s talking.
When you go down the vaccine route (or any other medication for that matter) you should be doing a risk/benefit evaluation. The numbers at risk from what is essentially a flu virus doesn’t justify using a totally untested vaccine on the whole of the planet. As I have already explained they have never successfully produced a Covid type vaccine; why didn’t you know that with all this “research” that you have been doing?
Now do yourself a favour. I know that you are a political little animal from crap that you have thrown at me on other threads. Politician is the only profession where the job description is “habitual liar”. Go and do some real research into this subject and stop being lead by the nose.
@medullah
I don't have time for all this nonsense. I am right now in caretaker mode, wife with three broken bones and can't walk and hard to even get out of bed.
I said research when I searched for answers and came up with that site literally in ten seconds.
I am an expert in semiconductor manufacturing machines not genetics, biology, medicine or anything like that.
And neither are you. Right now I have to make breakfast for my wife so see you later.
@sonhouse
Even with your alleged last post you couldn't resist the temptation to throw mud.
Good luck with your wife though, I sincerely hope she gets beter soon.
I don't claim to be an expert an anything, but I am heavily involved with supplying injectable medicines to hospitals, including Oxford. I am also part of the team supporting Clinical trials which are being monitored by the American Cancer Society. Other than that I earn my living through clinical discussions with Gps and consultants, and am APBI certified.
I guess that makes me just about qualified to make the tea.
@sonhouse
It's a set of six exams detailed around human anatomy with two of them (elected) in a specialized areas where the questioning is a lot more rigorous. Until you pass these you couldn't (by law) enter into clinical discussions with Healthcare Professionals (Consultants/Surgeons/GPs/Nurses etc). Once I had passed I was then chartered and could be struck off in much the same way as a doctor, though there is no comparison in terms of medical training.
Once I had passed I then had further specialised training (and examination) around pain control with emphasis on Cancer (that was an eye opener) and Osteoarthritis. I would have regular meetings with GPs; Consultants ; nurses and prison pharmacists (walking into a prison for thee first time is a never to be forgotten experience).
@medullah
My wife has a great deal of pain, she just went to her pain doc who doubled her doses of oxy, 6 hour and 12 hour. She has intense muscle spasms and has also broken ankles in both feet and a broken tibia from two separate falls, right now in wheelchair till she can put weight on feet.
I wish there was something better than just these narcotics but it just shows how low we are on the chart of medical knowledge, we are still in kindergarten medically and will be till we learn how do cure all cancers, regrow limbs and such and deal with pain by curing the problem not just covering it up with narcotics.
We need to learn how to regrow cartilage to keep all that at bay and to be able to stop auto immune diseases where the immune system attacks its own cells.
When we do all that, we can be considered to be in middle school medically. Obviously that won't happen this century but maybe in 200 years if we continue to grow scientifically and some disaster doesn't stop us, maybe by then we will be in high school medically speaking.
@sonhouse
Cancer can be cured. If you ever suspected that you had cancer there are five or six things that you can do immediately to start giving your immune system a chance to fight back. If you signal interest I will PM you some stuff for consideration. I just don't want to open that can of worms in this environment.
I'm really sorry to hear about the suffering of your good lady; it must be very hard on you both.
I sold Oxycontin and have personally used it twice for major post op recovery, so am a big fan. However we go back to appropriate prescribing, and the problem with it is it can be addictive, and can also play havoc with gut motility causing chronic constipation.
I have Osteoarthritis and was relying on paracetamol for pain relief, and would have thought that your wife would be on a step down path maybe heading towards something like Tramadol (don't like it myself) and then to paracetamol?
I have recently gone over to cannabis oil (the legal variety) after my friend's partner used it with great success for pain control. It might be an option worth considering at some stage as there may be other benefits to it.
I have heard that there are cartilage regenerating options (just what i could do with) but I think that it's relatively new technology, not guaranteed, and pretty serious surgery.
@medullah saidSomeone hacked your account!
I didn't mention religion, and that's very disingenuous of you
Rev 13:14
Peoples ignorance and lack of ability to apply Proverbs 14:15 ??
Or are you being very disingenuous?
@wolfgang59
Don't waste my time with your attempts to cause mischief; read the whole of the conversation rather than cherry picking - you'll understand.
The current discussion has moved on to analgesics and cannabis oil. There is also an opening for contributing on the subject of auto immune disease if you have anything to say on that?