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Yes, I mean the conspirators are most likely US citizens, possibly CIA or some other secret agency. Al Qaeda was not a conspirator, it was a puppet. Would you not suspect Top Secret agencies like the CIA understand how to best keep conspiracies intact. They were willing to kill thousands of people, of course they new they had to minimize risk by double crossing co conspirators. And what better way can you think of than to annihilate them in the actual attack?
I want to be clear about this. Two Structural Steel Frame High Rises collapsed that were designed to handle jet aircraft impacts and remain standing. If that alone wasn't the greatest engineering failure known to man, then it was followed by the collapse of 3 other steel frame high rises collapsed into complete rubble without any impacts at all! One WTC 7 sited by NIST as having collapsed from due to normal office fires. Something that has never happened in the entire history of modern steel frame high rises, and hasn't happened since! We are talking about 5 engineering nightmares of unsurmountable proportions!
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/faqs/360-faq-2-were-the-twin-towers-designed-to-withstand-the-impact-of-the-airplanes
WTC 7 collapse video is extensive and easily accessible. NIST had to reverse an official position about "free fall" acceleration achieved posed by a high school physics teacher with a BS in Physics and an MS in Mathematics! You with a PhD in Physics probably have access to the same software or better. Measure it yourself.
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/free-fall-acceleration
In this video you can listen to NIST lead investigators of the structural failures literally bumbling around trying to explain "g". Its utterly flabbergasting!
https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence/videos/video/7-nist-finally-admits-free-fall-part-1
At a little before 3:22 s to a little after in the video listen carefully. Saunders ( NIST lead Structural Engineer) clearly says the VIDEO analysis shows 3.9 s for the top of the building to fall the full 17 visible floors. Then he says for the model to fall over the same distance it would take 5.4 seconds because of structural resistance etc... He got it completely backwards!
@soothfast saidClose ...
Well, India was known as the "jewel of the British Empire" once upon a time.
India was known as "the jewel in the crown".
The phrase ‘the jewel in the crown’ was formerly
used to describe India's place in the British Empire.
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/english/the-jewel-in-the-crown
@bunnyknight saidA "true" conspiracy theory is an oxymoron.
A conspiracy theory is either true or false. Those claiming that conspiracy theories are all nonsense usually have something to hide and are probably involved in a conspiracy. As for propaganda, it's alive and well, and more evolved than ever before. And the finest type of propaganda is mixing a huge lie with a bunch of small, insignificant truths. I hear those on the news every day.
@wildgrass said"Professor Smith believes that our moon is an alien base made of cheese and populated by giant alien mice who are planning to invade Earth."
A "true" conspiracy theory is an oxymoron.
Is this conspiracy theory true or false? It can't be both.
@bunnyknight saidWould that said cheese be either the grey colored Dave cobble ewes cheese or any of the other grey cheeses?
"Professor Smith believes that our moon is an alien base made of cheese and populated by giant alien mice who are planning to invade Earth."
Is this conspiracy theory true or false?
Because if its not any of the grey cheeses then that conspiracy theory must be false because no part of the Moon is any other color other than grey.
Also, why on earth would the moon mice want to invade Earth when they have plenty of cheese on the Moon? That makes no sense.
@humy saidYou present a good argument that Smith's conspiracy theory must be false, but it's not good enough. The alien mice might have acquired a desire for Earth crackers and pizza dough, plus the extra land to expand their growing population. They also might have arranged a massive cover-up with NASA in exchange for sparing the lives of all NASA personnel. Thus, Smith's conspiracy theory might not be false, but true.
Would that said cheese be either the grey colored Dave cobble ewes cheese or any of the other grey cheeses?
Because if its not any of the grey cheeses then that conspiracy theory must be false because no part of the Moon is any other color other than grey.
Also, why on earth would the moon mice want to invade Earth when they have plenty of cheese on the Moon? That makes no sense.
@bunnyknight saidAll conspiracy theories are either false or unknowable. If the answer exists, there is no need to concoct a conspiracy theory.
"Professor Smith believes that our moon is an alien base made of cheese and populated by giant alien mice who are planning to invade Earth."
Is this conspiracy theory true or false? It can't be both.
The Watergate scandal, for example, is not considered a "true" conspiracy theory. Watergate is history.
You can liken it to alternative medicine, a moniker that is restricted to treatments that do not work or have not been proven to work. If you can determine that it works, it's just medicine.
Professor Smith's beliefs are troubling.
@wildgrass saidAll conspiracy theories are either false or known to be fact by those who are part of the conspiracy. The public may never find the exact truth and so it will remain a "theory" to the general public, while the conspirators will use every trick, lie and deception to discredit it. And if the conspirators have the ability to influence news media, getting away with it will be easy.
All conspiracy theories are either false or unknowable. If the answer exists, there is no need to concoct a conspiracy theory.
@bunnyknight saidStill seems oxymoronic. Hypothetically-speaking, what would a "true" conspiracy theory look like? Is it analogous to a factual myth? Certainly, if you're part of a conspiracy then you wouldn't consider what you are doing to be a conspiracy theory right? That would be weird.
All conspiracy theories are either false or known to be fact by those who are part of the conspiracy. The public may never find the exact truth and so it will remain a "theory" to the general public, while the conspirators will use every trick, lie and deception to discredit it. And if the conspirators have the ability to influence news media, getting away with it will be easy.
Do you consider the Watergate Scandal a conspiracy theory? If so perhaps we have a different definition of what conspiracy theories are.
@wildgrass saidIf the Watergate Scandal has been proven to be absolutely true, then obviously it's no longer a theory, just like the grass being green is not a theory.
Do you consider the Watergate Scandal a conspiracy theory? If so perhaps we have a different definition of what conspiracy theories are.
The thing is, most controversial subjects have not been proven either true or false because it's either too difficult, or due to man-made obstacles.