30 Sep 20
@Metal-Brain
Show me the stats about folks getting cancer PROVEN to have come from a flu vax.
I guess you never heard of phase three trials.
and longer lived ones that watch for decades.
I know, fake news.
30 Sep 20
@sonhouse saidI didn't claim the flu vax caused cancer. What are you talking about?
@Metal-Brain
Show me the stats about folks getting cancer PROVEN to have come from a flu vax.
I guess you never heard of phase three trials.
and longer lived ones that watch for decades.
I know, fake news.
01 Oct 20
@ogb saidThat a study was done a while ago does not invalidate its findings. Science isn't cheese, it won't go mouldy after a month or two.
uhh you're citing a study from 43 years ago ?
01 Oct 20
@metal-brain saidA little formaldehyde is not a problem, it is a natural part of cell metabolism. Tetanus, on the other hand, is an agonising death.
Did you know that multiple dose vials of the flu vaccine contain thimerosal (mercury)?
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/thimerosal.htm
Other vaccines like the Tetanus Vaccine contain formaldehyde, a known poison and human carcinogen.
01 Oct 20
@deepthought saidYou are implying it is no different. It is a natural part of cell metabolism, but that takes place inside of cells so the formaldehyde can be broken down into harmless compounds our bodies can deal with. The formaldehyde in vaccines is injected into the body. It is very unlikely it will go into the specific part of cells so the formaldehyde can be broken down in the same way cells do. Heck, it may get injected in between the cells. How are the cells supposed to deal with that? It isn't where it needs to be for our bodies to do the natural process cells are used to.
A little formaldehyde is not a problem, it is a natural part of cell metabolism. Tetanus, on the other hand, is an agonising death.
There are also different types of compounds of formaldehyde. They are not all the same at all. Do you even know for sure the formaldehyde in vaccines is the same compound as the formaldehyde in the natural part of cell metabolism?
@metal-brain said
You are implying it is no different. It is a natural part of cell metabolism, but that takes place inside of cells so the formaldehyde can be broken down into harmless compounds our bodies can deal with. The formaldehyde in vaccines is injected into the body. It is very unlikely it will go into the specific part of cells so the formaldehyde can be broken down in the same ...[text shortened]... ldehyde in vaccines is the same compound as the formaldehyde in the natural part of cell metabolism?
The formaldehyde in vaccines is injected into the body. It is very unlikely it will go into the specific part of cells so the formaldehyde can be broken down in the same way cells do.formaldehyde in human cells is neutralized by what is called an enzyme which more specifically is the one called "Formaldehyde dehydrogenase" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formaldehyde_dehydrogenase ). Like many human enzymes in cells, it is present in most of the cell cytoplasm and present in at least most parts of the human cell with the possible exceptions of inside the cell nucleus and/or inside mitochondria because of the selective way the outer layers of those those organelles regulate and restrict entry of large complex organic molecules (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytoplasm) and thus the formaldehyde doesn't require to first go into some special part of the cell to be neutralized and would instead be immediately exposed to the enzyme that immediately starts to neutralize it as soon as the formaldehyde enters the cell.
https://mrc.ukri.org/news/browse/toxic-formaldehyde-is-produced-inside-our-own-cells/
" ... an enzyme converts the formaldehyde into a less dangerous chemical ..."
Heck, it may get injected in between the cells. How are the cells supposed to deal with that?Any formaldehyde, unsurprisingly given how small its molecules are, between the cells would generally then enter the cells by simple defusing through the outer cell membrane and into the cells. So once in the body it will enter the cells regardless. If you deny this, see https://2019.igem.org/Team😴JUT-China/Model.
There are also different types of compounds of formaldehyde.The formaldehyde that is currently spoken about here, like usually elsewhere, refers to just formaldehyde i.e. not a larger more complex chemical compound that contains formaldehyde as a side group but just the formaldehyde molecule itself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formaldehyde_dehydrogenase
"...Formaldehyde is a naturally occurring organic compound with the formula CH2O (H−CHO). ..."
Do you even know for sure the formaldehyde in vaccines is the same compound as the formaldehyde in the natural part of cell metabolism?Yes, we are sure. It has the same formula of CH2O (H−CHO).
See https://www.chop.edu/centers-programs/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-ingredients/formaldehyde where it very clearly implies this.
And before you ask your usually redundent and thus pointless "What is the source of information", I have already answered that with the above links provided and all you have to do to check is just for once actually bother to read them. I have given my source of information and if you cannot admit that or accept that then that's just your mental problem, not ours.
It would be really nice if you first studied the subject matter before commenting on it so you had some clue of what you are talking about instead of being proven all wrong yet again.
01 Oct 20
@humy saidThe first link you posted is not available. The second link you posted does not say what you claim it does. Maybe you should read your own link.The formaldehyde in vaccines is injected into the body. It is very unlikely it will go into the specific part of cells so the formaldehyde can be broken down in the same way cells do.formaldehyde in human cells is neutralized by what is called an enzyme which more specifically is the one called "Formaldehyde dehydrogenase" (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fo ...[text shortened]... n it so you had some clue of what you are talking about instead of being proven all wrong yet again.
02 Oct 20
@metal-brain saidYou lie, as usual. You convince nobody here.
The first link you posted is not available. The second link you posted does not say what you claim it does.