Vaccination better than you think

@humy said
You lie via straw man, as usual. And your are using exactly the same straw man I already just debunked. The "it" in that "You called it fake news" (your above comment) OBVIOUSLY cannot correctly and sensibly refer to what was presented in your link (which was the https://www.globalresearch.ca/un-forced-admit-gates-funded-vaccine-causing-polio-outbreak-africa/5723137 one), becaus ...[text shortened]... lies all news is fake news. Who are you trying to kid here? You are just embarrassing yourself; Why?

https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/vaccinations/aluminum-in-vaccines-what-everyone-needs-to-know/

@metal-brain said
https://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/vaccinations/aluminum-in-vaccines-what-everyone-needs-to-know/

What about it?
It doesn't contradict anything I/we said.
So what's your point? Answer, no point and you know it and know you fool nobody here.

@humy said
What about it?
It doesn't contradict anything I/we said.
So what's your point? Answer, no point and you know it and know you fool nobody here.

What was fake news again? Be specific.

@metal-brain said
What was fake news again? Be specific.

Your question is vague enough so I don't know whether you asking for a definition of 'fake news' or asking which particular news item I am claiming is fake.

If the former;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fake_news
" Fake news is untrue information presented as news. "

Is that specific enough for you?

If the latter;

Obviously I wasn't referring to any particular news item as being fake.
This is because I actually said;
"This is a link about fake news that scares people with common myths about vaccines which science has debunked and this scaring results in many people not getting vaccinated or not allowing their children to be vaccinated so to result in more preventable diseases and deaths; "

Although the link I then showed explained a few specific examples of such fake news, obviously my above comment I made just before that link wasn't referring to any specific one of those such examples.

In addition, even if I WAS referring to just one of the specific claimed fake news items mentioned in that link, none of your links you then showed contradict those examples as being fake anyway and all of your links you then showed were irrelevant to this current topic of fake news putting people in preventable danger of catching disease.

Contrary to what you keep implying, nowhere have I/we ever claimed/implied here that all vaccines are safe all of the time. Some have been proven unsafe... which is irrelevant to fake news causing some people not to be vaccinated and then dying of disease as a result.
Do you claim no such fake news exists?
If not, what is your bone of contention here? I mean, specifically what are you claiming what I am claiming is wrong? You have never once said this and I assume that is because you cannot find anything wrong with my claims which then begs the question why are you arguing?

@humy said
This is a link about fake news that scares people with common myths about vaccines which science has debunked and this scaring results in many people not getting vaccinated or not allowing their children to be vaccinated so to result in more preventable diseases and deaths;

https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/fake-news-a-threat-to-curbing-vaccine-preventable-diseases-i ...[text shortened]...

Fake news with baseless scares by irresponsible people that reject what the science says, kills.

What is fake news? What myths? Be specific.

@metal-brain said
What is fake news?

Fake news is untrue information presented as news.

What myths?

All which is said or at least implied to be myth by this link below;
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/fake-news-a-threat-to-curbing-vaccine-preventable-diseases-in-the-uk

Is that all specific enough for you?

@humy said
Fake news is untrue information presented as news.

What myths?

All which is said or at least implied to be myth by this link below;
https://www.nuffieldtrust.org.uk/news-item/fake-news-a-threat-to-curbing-vaccine-preventable-diseases-in-the-uk

Is that all specific enough for you?

Since vaccines are good my government must be anti-vax. They will not allow the first vaccine available to Americans.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-sanctions-russian-research-institute-developed-covid-19-vaccine/5722615

Will Brits have access to the Russian vaccine?

@metal-brain said
Since vaccines are good my government must be anti-vax. They will not allow the first vaccine available to Americans.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-sanctions-russian-research-institute-developed-covid-19-vaccine/5722615

Will Brits have access to the Russian vaccine?

I'm sure the UK will follow the scientific advice, not the political advice. Assuming the Russians make it available to the rest of the world, that is. When its stage 3 is completed of course,

@kewpie said
I'm sure the UK will follow the scientific advice, not the political advice. Assuming the Russians make it available to the rest of the world, that is. When its stage 3 is completed of course,

You trust your government to be honest?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/removal-form-5-cremation-certificate-deaths-covid-19-coronavirus-act/5726092

@metal-brain said
You trust your government to be honest?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/removal-form-5-cremation-certificate-deaths-covid-19-coronavirus-act/5726092

No government is honest, but they're always focused on re-election, and the UK has a fairer electoral system than the US.

@metal-brain said
Since vaccines are good my government must be anti-vax. They will not allow the first vaccine available to Americans.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/us-sanctions-russian-research-institute-developed-covid-19-vaccine/5722615

Will Brits have access to the Russian vaccine?

Since vaccines are good

Which ones's? For who? For what? Many are generally good when used appropriately but some batches, at least in the past, have been proven generally bad and nobody here including has ever denied that fact. NOBODY here including I has ever claimed/implied ALL vaccines are safe all the time. That's just your moronic straw man that exposes you as a moron here every time you use it.

That doesn't mean you shouldn't ever take any vaccine ever. It is STUPID to refuse to take ANY vaccine ever and specially those with a long proven good safety record and specially against a deadly disease that you have a high risk of catching just because some OTHER vaccine was once shown to be unsafe; That's like refusing to go to a doctor, any doctor, to treat a serious illness because some other doctor was once bad; Or refusing to safely light a controlled fire to keep yourself warm and prevent yourself from dying of the cold because dangerous out-of-control fires had sometimes burned people.

Since vaccines are good my government must be anti-vax.

why? How does one ("my government must be anti-vax" ) logically follow from the other ("Since vaccines are good " ) ?

Will Brits have access to the Russian vaccine?

Don't know and I said/implied absolutely nothing about that and that's completely irrelevant to any of my/the-rest-of-us assertions in our recent posts. What does this have to do with fake news and/or any of what I or others here have asserted in our recent posts? Tell us all, what is the point you are trying to making here?
Lets say Brits WILL have access to the Russian vaccine... So what?
Lets say Brits will NOT have access to the Russian vaccine... So what?
Either way, what's your point?

@kewpie said
and the UK has a fairer electoral system than the US.

Yes, I believe you are right about that. And this is DESPITE it being VERY far from perfect because we have the undemocratic seat system rather than proportional representation. We also have the house of lords which I think is superfluous and it would be much more efficient if we did away with the house of lords.
But of course this is all going off the topic of science.

@humy said

Since vaccines are good

Which ones's? For who? For what? Many are generally good when used appropriately but some batches, at least in the past, have been proven generally bad and nobody here including has ever denied that fact. NOBODY here including I has ever claimed/implied ALL vaccines are safe all the time. That's just your moronic straw man that exposes y ...[text shortened]... ts say Brits will NOT have access to the Russian vaccine... So what?
Either way, what's your point?

The longer people go without a vaccine the more people will die. My government is denying Americans access to the first SARS2 vaccine. That means my government is intent on allowing people to die by denying them the very first vaccine, simply because it is a Russian vaccine.

@metal-brain said
The longer people go without a vaccine the more people will die. My government is denying Americans access to the first SARS2 vaccine. That means my government is intent on allowing people to die by denying them the very first vaccine, simply because it is a Russian vaccine.

I don't think that's quite right. The Russian vaccine is being overhyped by the Russians in the same way as Trump is overhyping hydroxyquinoline, regeneron, dexamethasone et al. It's nowhere near safe yet and the FDA would be totally insane to allow access to it before Stage 3 testing is done.
Whoever is in power in the US when that eventually happens will make an informed decision, I'm sure. For America's sake I hope it isn't the incumbent.

@kewpie said
I don't think that's quite right. The Russian vaccine is being overhyped by the Russians in the same way as Trump is overhyping hydroxyquinoline, regeneron, dexamethasone et al. It's nowhere near safe yet and the FDA would be totally insane to allow access to it before Stage 3 testing is done.
Whoever is in power in the US when that eventually happens will make an informed decision, I'm sure. For America's sake I hope it isn't the incumbent.

Are you implying Russia has no intention of going through stage 3 testing? Tell me, why does Astrazeneca need to be exempt from liability? Would it need to be exempt if the vaccine is safe?

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-astrazeneca-results-vaccine-liability/astrazeneca-to-be-exempt-from-coronavirus-vaccine-liability-claims-in-most-countries-idUKKCN24V2EN