03 Jan 21
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@eladar saidGrant you opioids are often over-prescribed and misused, but opioids can nevertheless be responsibly used for medical reasons (mainly for just pain relief I assume although there are sometimes other uses) thus your above assertion is too simplistic I think.
@sonhouse
Nobody should be taking opioids.
Of course, you can always point to its risks and side effects; but that's true for any medicine.
Once again big money for big pharm.Whether something makes "big money for big pharm" is irrelavant to whether we should use it.
03 Jan 21
@humy saidWhat is one thing that can only be treated with opioids?
Grant you opioids are often over-prescribed and misused, but opioids can nevertheless be responsibly used for medical reasons (mainly for just pain relief I assume although there are sometimes other uses) thus your above assertion is too simplistic I think.
Of course, you can always point to its risks and side effects; but that's true for any medicine.
Once again bi ...[text shortened]...Whether something makes "big money for big pharm" is irrelavant to whether we should use it.
@humy saidOpioids have proven to be very destructive for people. Doctors are to do no harm.
That's irrelevant because if there is something that can be treated with not only with some medicine X but also with some other medicine, that's not a reason to reject X.
So why do we continue to see opioids used? One simple answer, big money for big pharm.
Your insistence that Opioids are just fine just goes to show that you do not think for yourself, all you can do is trust what experts tell you.
03 Jan 21
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@eladar saidlike most meds, often when over-prescribed or misused, yes.
Opioids have proven to be very destructive for people.
But, like most meds, not usually when used responsibly for medical use.
So why do we continue to see opioids used?because just sometimes they do good when used responsibly?
-the same reason why most meds are still used despite risks.
One simple answer, big money for big pharm.So we come back to that irrelevancy yet again. -And no, that's not usually why doctors sometimes prescribe them.
Your insistence that Opioids are just fine
which I don't make because I keep saying its conditional on them being used responsibly and even then there are still some risks just like with all meds, but go on...
just goes to show that you do not think for yourself, all you can do is trust what experts tell you.If "think for yourself" means not listening to the experts but rather forming a layperson opinion about something without first listening to experts or checking what the science says, what you call "think for yourself" would be what most people would call something vaguely along the lines of "forming delusional opinionated beliefs based on arrogant ignorance rather than first listening to the experts or checking what the science says".
If the experts and the science says X is true then, unless you are an expert about X yourself, your default assumption should be X is probably true until if or when you have some very good evidence or very good reason to think the contrary.
"think for yourself" is good providing you don't choose to ignore the experts and the established facts in the process.
03 Jan 21
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@eladar saidplease give me a wedlink to this 'opioid crisis' that was NOT as a result of opioid misuse so I can know exactly what crisis you are referring to as I currently honestly don't.
@humy
Look at the opioid crisis and tell me it is because it was misused.
+ how would that prove an opioid cannot be and hasn't ever been responsibly used to medically benefit somebody? Nobody denies there are risks and we can still learn from past mistakes but that's also true for any med.
03 Jan 21
@humy saidSo your argument is that the medical community is inept.
please give me a wedlink to this 'opioid crisis' that was NOT as a result of opioid misuse so I can know exactly what crisis you are referring to as I currently honestly don't.
+ how would that prove an opioid cannot be and hasn't ever been responsibly used to medically benefit somebody? Nobody denies there are risks and we can still learn from past mistakes but that's also true for any med.