Originally posted by rapalla7There are a lot of personalities on this site, both likeable and dislikable.
I will edit once again....What does russ and chris want? That is what is important. If the community is gone I will be too. I will have no reason to stay. Again, I will not try to insult russ and chris, but we will lose alot of what this site was, and it will never be again.
I think that the reason this site is so interesting is because the anonymity
creates an atmosphere of honesty. People say what they really think,
even if it's obnoxious or even hateful. That candor is a driving force
in the forums. They may not behave as the would in public, but there
primal honesty transcends their worldly façade.
One personality that this site does not need is the one of a cheater.
I know that, when people are exposed as cheaters, I feel like I have
been robbed. There is an element of trust in this community and
cheating violates that trust.
When I find out someone is a cheater, I can't read their posts and
feel like that honesty is totally destroyed. Except for the few best
players on the site, very few do chess on a professional level. We
are here to have fun and learn and BS a little bit. Cheating invalidates
all of this. If I wanted to play a computer, I'd load up 'MacChess.'
If a substantial part of the 'fun' community is banned because of
cheating, I say: 'Don't let the door hit you on the way out.' They've
violated the very little trust that we put in them. Everything else
seems a lie after that.
Nemesio
Starman
Lucifershammer
Paultopia
Nicolai's
ouroboros
David Tebb
Grayeyesofsorrow
Trekkie
Mephisto2
mrmist
Marinakatomb
Timmy Toilet
TRACKHEAD 21
Crowley
Chess Kid1
Ragnorak
cbd
The Master 37
SirUlrich
SteveC
Arrakis
Phlabibit
Rapalla7
Gatecrasher
Cheshire Cat
SirLoseAlot
Zumdahl
Forevergreenwithenvy
Starman
Lucifershammer
Paultopia
Nicolai's
ouroboros
David Tebb
Grayeyesofsorrow
Trekkie
Mephisto2
mrmist
Marinakatomb
Timmy Toilet
TRACKHEAD 21
Crowley
Chess Kid1
Ragnorak
cbd
The Master 37
SirUlrich
SteveC
Arrakis
Phlabibit
Rapalla7
Gatecrasher
Cheshire Cat
Zumdahl
Forevergreenwithenvy
I'm out
Originally posted by nemesioGod give us a break, that's just a pathetic excuse for mud slinging and verbal abuse in the forums, and you know it, so dont get on your high horse with me nemesio, if you want to claim the moral high ground nemesio then you act like an adult and talk like an adult.
There are a lot of personalities on this site, both likeable and dislikable.
I think that the reason this site is so interesting is because the anonymity
creates an atmosphere of honesty. People say what they really think,
even if it's obnoxious or even hateful. That candor is a driving force
in the forums. They may not behave as the would in public, ...[text shortened]... the very little trust that we put in them. Everything else
seems a lie after that.
Nemesio
There is one thing i do know for shure, i would rather be a "cheat" than a pathetic little man who has nothing better to do with his sad life than sling mud and verbal abuse around in the forums.
Regards FGWE
Just as a matter of curiosity how is this site actually governed?
Is it a Democracy or a Benevolent Dictatorship?
If the later is there a polling method to see what the members actually want or are decisions made by minority pressure groups that shout the loudest. How many of the stated 75000 members are even aware of this debate, I stumbled across it by accident.
Is there a star council that is appointed by some form of mysterious process (like the house of lords in the United Kingdom) or is it a old buddies club, the longer you have been a member and the more active you are the more weight you can pull with the boss?
I am perturbed by the strength of feeling in this thread and the fact that this may be the first issue to:-
a. Publicly embarrass members (already enacted I note with alarm in an earlier posting).
b. Throw them off the site (issues about subscription refunds etc).
c. Create an ‘Salems lot’ type witch hunt environment where old scores are settled by dubiously appointed committees using disputed analysis methods.
This debate is the sign of a maturing community and maturity demands careful thought and gradual controlled change.
Perhaps an amnesty should be granted and all games before a certain go live date should be not subject to analysis? Or should the rules be back dated to the beginning of time so old scores can be settled and skeletons thrown mercilessly out of cupboards to general public derision?
I agree this problem must be tackled, but it should be tackled with caution and maturity so the baby is not thrown out with the bathwater in the zeal of puritanical cheat finding.
Oh I do love this debate… recommend my thread someone…. Yee ha…
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Originally posted by DeepfaultYou've missed the months of debate, grrr and argh that have come before this point :-)
Just as a matter of curiosity how is this site actually governed?
Is it a Democracy or a Benevolent Dictatorship?
If the later is there a polling method to see what the members actually want or are decisions made by minority pressure groups that shout the loudest. How many of the stated 75000 members are even aware of this debate, I stumbled acros ...[text shortened]... ng.
Oh I do love this debate… recommend my thread someone…. Yee ha…
😀😛😉
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forevergreenwithenvy
I think im more Qualified than most on that list when it comes to spotting engine use (cheating), why ? because i am one, a cheat that is, ive used engines on RHP for some time now and have alot of experiance at chess analysis with an engine.
AS you have, by your own admission broken the terms of service of the site, I don't think you should be anywhere near the site, never mind the cheat police.
However, until Russ takes action against this blatant breaking of terms of service, you are still a member of the RHP community and, as such, able to put your name forward to be considered for the cheat police.
I feel though, since you are the only proven cheater (what better proof than a confession?), then all should know this, so that people are informed that they may be voting a proven cheater onto the cheat police. I hereby edit the list, and place a (C) after your name.
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Starman
Lucifershammer
Paultopia
Nicolai's
ouroboros
David Tebb
Grayeyesofsorrow
Trekkie
Mephisto2
mrmist
Marinakatomb
Timmy Toilet
TRACKHEAD 21
Crowley
Chess Kid1
Ragnorak
cbd
The Master 37
SirUlrich
SteveC
Arrakis
Phlabibit
Rapalla7
Gatecrasher
Cheshire Cat
SirLoseAlot
Zumdahl
Forevergreenwithenvy (C)
Originally posted by forevergreenwithenvyBut you seem to be both.
There is one thing i do know for shure, i would rather be a "cheat" than a pathetic little man who has nothing better to do with his sad life than sling mud and verbal abuse around in the forums.
Nemesio doesn't need to claim the moral high ground. In this debate, by insisting on honest and fair play, he already has it.
Dear forevergreenwithenvy,it was a stupid mistake to admit that you've cheated just because you want to enter oh-so-badly in the cheat police.
Even jameswoodley wouldn't be so dumb.
I hope that good sense prevails and that a big C will be put in your profile,needless to say that you absolutely can't enter the cheat police,this new feature is not meant to be a joke for playing''guards and thieves''.
Originally posted by RagnorakIt's a bit unfair adding a C to a name...just think of what poor SteveC must be thinking about this one!
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3. YOUR REGISTRATION OBLIGATIONS
In consideration of your use of the Service, you represent that you are of legal age to form a binding contract and are not a person barred from receiving services under the laws of the United States or other applicable jurisdiction. You also agree to :
(a) You will not create more than one account.
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Phlabibit
Rapalla7
Gatecrasher
Cheshire Cat
SirLoseAlot
Zumdahl
Forevergreenwithenvy (C)
Just put a (C) next to their handle or after thier rating so that everyone can see it and decide if they want to play that player. It would be like the provisional (P) that can bar them from tournaments and clans. Give them the option of getting rid of the (C) by playing real chess for some time. I don't think anyone should be tossed from the site because of it. The cheat squad will have a much easier time of it if this was implemented, and not seem like the inquisition. Let's just cool down. Does this sound like something everyone can live with?
Mike
Originally posted by rapalla7For my money, the only power the police should have is in advising Russ on whether cases of alleged cheating can be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
Just put a (C) next to their handle or after thier rating so that everyone can see it and decide if they want to play that player. It would be like the provisional (P) that can bar them from tournaments and clans. Give them the option of ...[text shortened]... Does this sound like something everyone can live with?
Mike
It is Russ, and Russ alone, who should determine the appropriate "punishment".
I also think that some kind of amnesty and a clean slate going forward is something that Russ should seriously consider.
The main outcome of forming the "police" should be future prevention rather than past punishment.
Originally posted by GatecrasherI agree that russ and chris will of course have the final decision. I am just trying to take the edge off. Clean slate policy would be a good idea. Set a date and say that after this point if you are caught you will get a (C) after your rating. That way it will give people the chance for reformation. I know some people want to drop the hammer, but I don't think it is neccesary for a pleasant outcome for all involved.
For my money, the only power the police should have is in advising Russ on whether cases of alleged cheating can be proven beyond reasonable doubt.
It is Russ, and Russ alone, who should determine the appropriate "punishment".
I also think that some kind of amnesty and a clean slate going forward is something that Russ should seriously consider. ...[text shortened]... main outcome of forming the "police" should be future prevention rather than past punishment.
Mike