* Game moderators - the cheat police

I say forget the (C) - kick them right off the Site.

I know, I lack compassion but I dont care.

And, FGWE, the fact that you have the nerve to recruit yourself for the moderator job right after you confess takes a lot of balls. That being said - you're a useless cheat who should be kicked off the Site. How's that for mudslinging?

Originally posted by darvlay
I say forget the (C) - kick them right off the Site.

I know, I lack compassion but I dont care.

And, FGWE, the fact that you have the nerve to recruit yourself for the moderator job right after you confess takes a lot of balls. That being said - you're a useless cheat who should be kicked off the Site. How's that for mudslinging?

I have posted earlier. re. an amnisty. We should make everyone aware of the cheat police and advise that those who come clean will be allowed to continue so long as they refrain from Computer/program use in the future. I think that everyone should be allowed to make a mistake. So long as they don't repeat it. This would then wipe the slate clean for those that have been using and we can effectively start from that moment to police the site.

In the end it is up to Russ what he does but clearly this is polarizing RHP. Personally, I think that the long term members will be the ones that play chess because they love it and not just to see their name at the top of a highest score list.

If this is done then those that don't come clean will only have themselves to blame when they are caught.

Dispite what some people have said about not being able to stop computer use IT IS against the rules that you agree to when joining the site.

If users agree to play chess without program aids they should be allowed to continue.

And as for those who confess. They should be allowed to continue playing but be monitored carefully. However, they should not be allowed to be part of the cheat police. It would be like allowing a criminal to become a politician or a policeman...................OK bad example!

I'm not even saying a confesional, I am saying after a date if you are caught that's it....you get a (C) until evidence comes out you are not a computer. This would eliminate any mistakes that may arise.

What bothers me is that the people who prove it have to be adept at computer play themselves, this creates a strange situation. Is it one computer chess user proving another? Why would one player have so many different engines. Could'nt someone that knows how to hunt down cheats and expose them know themselves what not to do if they wish to not get caught.

Will this raise the bar? Maybe we'll get rid of the bad cheats, but the really good ones, they may adept, and evolve with this process, making it even harder to catch them.++++++++++

I posted that at mike's americlan forum last week. It seems that is has become a prophetic concern. Given that I have decided to copy it here. How can we trust the judgement of one person who has already declared his dishonesty?

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I detest cheating in any form, in any arena. However, I am only here to exercise my mind with the game of chess. Spending my time debating whether or not my opponent has "cheated" is not part of the exercise. Ratings mean nothing to me. I do not have a hungry ego to feed when I play chess. It seems to me that if an opponent has the energy and time needed (and $) to use a sophisticated computer program to defeat me, then shouldn't that opponent have enough brains to defeat me without it?

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Originally posted by rapalla7
Game mods attract people wishing to be caught. It is a challenge to them. There are several webpages dealing with these types of people. Do some reading.

Originally posted by kingspawn43
I detest cheating in any form, in any arena. However, I am only here to exercise my mind with the game of chess. Spending my time debating whether or not my opponent has "cheated" is not part of the exercise. Ratings mean nothing to me. I do not have a hungry ego to feed when I play chess. It seems to me that if an opponent has the energy and time ne ...[text shortened]... program to defeat me, then shouldn't that opponent have enough brains to defeat me without it?

Originally posted by Ravello
Post a link.
Making a similarity with your reasonment,you're saying that policemen attract thieves wishing to be caught?
I don't think so.

Originally posted by shavixmir
It's a bit unfair adding a C to a name...just think of what poor SteveC must be thinking about this one!

Originally posted by rapalla7
Are you serious. With all of this talk it is going to throw down the gauntlet to every programmer from MIT to get on the ball. They have been trying to make computers think like people for years. You don't think in some peoples phsyci that they would find eluding at the highest rating to be just as challenging as the game of chess??? Are you kidding. It's a big world out there bud.

a little bit more on what could happen to peoepl who are suspected/guilty/whatever...

1. let the site admins message them and warn them that they have been caught or whatever and give them another chance.

2. if someoen is caught, give him/her another chance.. make them put in their profile that they have been using/used a computer and will promise not to ever again.

3. if the user contiunues to use a computer.. do not ban them or antyhign. just put a c next to their name and make it so that C users cant join tournaments and clans and such liek that so that the general population doesnt "accidently" play them if they dont want to.

Originally posted by Zumdahl
a little bit more on what could happen to peoepl who are suspected/guilty/whatever...

1. let the site admins message them and warn them that they have been caught or whatever and give them another chance.

2. if someoen is caught, give him/her another chance.. make them put in their profile that they have been using/used a computer and will promise not ...[text shortened]... h liek that so that the general population doesnt "accidently" play them if they dont want to.

FGWE, if I want to play against an engine, I will download one. I do not come here to play against engines.

If I am ever drawn against you in a tournament or clan game I will protest long and loudly and refer to this thread while doing it.