Originally posted by Steve45Sure hope Russ acts quickly. Easy Riders up to it again by scheduling frequent mega challenges against their 3 patsy clans, Anti Metallica, Arrow and Breaking Bad Clans.
When does the talking stop, and the changes start to happen. I think everything that can be said, has been said now. Time for action.
If something is not done soon, we will have the same farce that occurred in 2016 happening all over again. If it does, I guarantee there will be a mass exodus from this site including myself.
Originally posted by my2sonsIt's an absolute joke !!!
Sure hope Russ acts quickly. Easy Riders up to it again by scheduling frequent mega challenges against their 3 patsy clans, Anti Metallica, Arrow and Breaking Bad Clans.
If something is not done soon, we will have the same farce that occurred in 2016 happening all over again. If it does, I guarantee there will be a mass exodus from this site including myself.
I will be sending in my request to have my membership cancelled when it expires in February. I think everyone else should vote by doing the same. It seems that Russ is too busy tinkering with some gadget that a handful of people will use rather than fixing the biggest shamozle on the site.
This site has become a laughing stock !!!
Originally posted by radioactive69its a complete overhall of a part of the system, you simply don't just code that overnight, it requires extensive testing.
It's an absolute joke !!!
I will be sending in my request to have my membership cancelled when it expires in February. I think everyone else should vote by doing the same. It seems that Russ is too busy tinkering with some gadget that a handful of people will use rather than fixing the biggest shamozle on the site.
This site has become a laughing stock !!!
Note to general community but specifically to Russ.
The information provided on this thread is in Russ' hands.
We will need to give him time for analysis and a response to the community.
That being said, there is a separate issue at hand that needs to be addressed.
And soon !!
This is the fiasco of collusion from 2016.
This will fester and it will not go away.
And there will be a negative impact to the site !!
And this will become a larger issue as time goes on.
I say this because it appears that the 4 clans involved last year appear to be at it again !!
Even if the new challenges between Easy Riders and their cohorts - Anti-Metallica, Breaking Bad and Arrow clans - appear to be above board, the optics for this site will not be good !!
This will only hurt the site !!
And inaction by site administration will only make things worse !!
I previously, in this thread, requested that site administration conduct an analysis of the 2016 clan results.
And render a decision to the clan community in a reasonably timely manner.
I even stated that a decision one way or the other would be acceptable to me.
What I am looking for is something. Anything !!
Silence on this issue is the worst possible course of action !!
What I think would be an acceptable outcome would be a penalty issued to the participants in the collusion.
Particularly to the clans whose only reason for existence is to throw points at certain clans in order to skew the outcome of a competition, as informal as that competition may be.
Also, a data correction in the form of a points rollback would be appropriate.
If that is not an option, I personally would settle for a flag, say an asterisk, next to the clan(s) involved along with a footnote citing a dubious result.
Others will not agree with me on this.
This may require less effort than a data hammer and achieve the same effect.
Clans that come to mind for this action are Easy Riders in 2016 and Strategic Ultimatum in 2015.
The latter have already been punished for their actions, yet they show as a 2nd place clan in the 2015 standings.
That is an INSULT to every clan that competed hard yet finished behind them in the standings !!
You keep this data for at least 10 years.
I would think that someone viewing this data in 2025 would like to have a clear sense of the competition of the 2015 & 2016 clan campaigns when they view the results.
Once again, I respectfully request a response on this matter soon.
I fully understand stand you have a lot on your plate.
This request is not an IT development proposal , but a referee decision.
And it can be progressed separately from the clan system improvement initiative.
Thanks, Mike (renewed for 2017🙂 )
The clan net points list is the issue that drives all these debate and arguments.
The clan net points list can never be a measure of a clan's success.
It's compiled from conflicting data.
You may as well say in a league the next season team "a" will play 45 games but team "z" will only play 4 games team while team "x" will play 23 games and so on and then compile a league table on the results.
I've said it before and I repeat the net points list is meaningless.
Do away with it and all the problems go away.
Originally posted by vendaexactly!
The clan net points list is the issue that drives all these debate and arguments.
The clan net points list can [b]never be a measure of a clan's success.
It's compiled from conflicting data.
You may as well say in a league the next season team "a" will play 45 games but team "z" will only play 4 games team while team "x" will play 23 games and so on and ...[text shortened]... peat the net points list is meaningless.
Do away with it and all the problems go away.[/b]
Originally posted by vendaThis is still nonsense in my opinion.
The clan net points list is the issue that drives all these debate and arguments.
The clan net points list can [b]never be a measure of a clan's success.
It's compiled from conflicting data.
You may as well say in a league the next season team "a" will play 45 games but team "z" will only play 4 games team while team "x" will play 23 games and so on and ...[text shortened]... peat the net points list is meaningless.
Do away with it and all the problems go away.[/b]
There is a clan league for those with your viewpoint.
I have always had the position that the clan system has 2 main performance parameters :
1 - that of the players playing the clan games against their opponents.
2 - the performance of the clan leaders. Doing their homework when reviewing and setting clan challenges.
A clan leader expects his clan to do well if there are more challenges set !!
No one really expects to win if the clan leader doesn't set challenges !!
The fact that one clan plays 4 challenges in a year while another sets 45 as you say is not a basis to overhaul a system.
I liken this to golf on the PGA tour (or European tour) where a golfer complains about not winning player of the year because he only entered 3 tournaments.
Clans like Metallica and Wycombe that play a lot of chess should not be held responsible for other clans whose leaders don't make time to perform their duties as clan leader !!
We will improve the system.
But not because of the incessant whiners !!
Originally posted by mghrn55Well said
This is still nonsense in my opinion.
There is a clan league for those with your viewpoint.
I have always had the position that the clan system has 2 main performance parameters :
1 - that of the players playing the clan games against their opponents.
2 - the performance of the clan leaders. Doing their homework when reviewing and setting clan challen ...[text shortened]... s as clan leader !!
We will improve the system.
But not because of the incessant whiners !!
Originally posted by mghrn55Not sure what you mean by "held responsible" ,but it's obvious we have different views on the subject of the net points clan list.
This is still nonsense in my opinion.
There is a clan league for those with your viewpoint.
I have always had the position that the clan system has 2 main performance parameters :
1 - that of the players playing the clan games against their opponents.
2 - the performance of the clan leaders. Doing their homework when reviewing and setting clan challen ...[text shortened]... s as clan leader !!
We will improve the system.
But not because of the incessant whiners !!
Regarding your analogy, if I were a golfer who entered 3 tournaments and won them all for my club I would expect some sort of recognition for my achievement even if not player of the year.
I'm sure Russ has enough to go on by now so perhaps we should agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Originally posted by vendaAs a golfer I can tell you that I want to play all the time .not just three really good games in a year
Not sure what you mean by "held responsible" ,but it's obvious we have different views on the subject of the net points clan list.
Regarding your analogy, if I were a golfer who entered 3 tournaments and won them all for my club I would expect some sort of recognition for my achievement even if not player of the year.
I'm sure Russ has enough to go on by now so perhaps we should agree to disagree and leave it at that.
To my mind the clans system was set up to show the most industrious
When you first join and have a look at the clans you are looking for the ones that head the list
This way you know you will be playing a lot of games
You then look for ones that have some meaning to you and have a vacancy for you to join
The clan system was not necessarily set up to show the best otherwise all the top rated players would be in a clan playing one or two matches a year
There are clans who do not want a lot of games
There are even some who never even play one match ,they just like chatting to like minded souls
If you went by percentages they would be at the front because they would always have 100%
Originally posted by CostadBeen more than a few days now
Patience Grasshoppers 🙂 Even a reputable organization like FIFA needs 9 years to figure out their world cup changes... 😀 😀
Russ said he is quite busy.... but upon waiting a few days, we demand answers? lol really?
Why did he wait until he's busy? Should have started this last January when the collusion started
Or like football chairman making promises as season ticket s are due ?
See if the collusion is sorted I doubt it as it's already happening again
No doubt this message will vanish but the one where I am called a dick gets to stay