25 May 10
Originally posted by my2sonsVery good work. 350 is looking perfect to I as all three should be flagged as your results show. Great job! 😀
I took 50 clan members at random and compared their current ratings to their 5 year high ratings.
5 year high - 1687
current rating - 1518
If we set the warning flag at a 350 point differential between a players 5 year high versus current rating, 3 of the 50 players would be flagged. The stats on the 3 players in question:
player A - current 1 ...[text shortened]... uld expand the sample size, but I suspect the results would not change significantly.
my2sons
25 May 10
Originally posted by KingDavid403'Flagging" at any set point will only create serious anomalies eg a 350 point difference will earn a red flag but 349 won't? Trying to replace common sense with numbers grabbed out of the air won't improve matters. Clan leaders should look at each pairing in each challenge and not hide behind an arbitrary level pretending it is an objective standard. Serious, deliberate sandbaggers will be given the same silly target to hide behind.
Very good work. 350 is looking perfect to I as all three should be flagged as your results show. Great job! 😀
This is no better than what we currently have and is probably a great deal worse.
25 May 10
Originally posted by drdonWell you have to put the line somewhere.
'Flagging" at any set point will only create serious anomalies eg a 350 point difference will earn a red flag but 349 won't? Trying to replace common sense with numbers grabbed out of the air won't improve matters. Clan leaders should look at each pairing in each challenge and not hide behind an arbitrary level pretending it is an objective standard. Serious, ...[text shortened]... behind.
This is no better than what we currently have and is probably a great deal worse.
I say put it to a vote of all clan leaders and majority rules.
Democracy in action. Shall we take the proposed vote to Russ?
25 May 10
Originally posted by drdonI have to disagree, flagging of obvious differences between true and current rating can only help in challenges.
'Flagging" at any set point will only create serious anomalies eg a 350 point difference will earn a red flag but 349 won't? Trying to replace common sense with numbers grabbed out of the air won't improve matters. Clan leaders should look at each pairing in each challenge and not hide behind an arbitrary level pretending it is an objective standard. Serious, ...[text shortened]... behind.
This is no better than what we currently have and is probably a great deal worse.
An automated system whereby a 1800 player who is currently rated at 1400 is "flagged" because they are X points (I'd make the difference less than 350) lower than their best should make accepting challenges easier.
It saves a bit of time
25 May 10
Originally posted by adramforallIf the difference is "obvious", ergo obvious to clan leaders, why does it need a flag? A flag may come to mean 'DO NOT ACCEPT THIS CHALLENGE without further consideration. We do not need this complication.
I have to disagree, flagging of obvious differences between true and current rating can only help in challenges.
An automated system whereby a 1800 player who is currently rated at 1400 is "flagged" because they are X points (I'd make the difference less than 350) lower than their best should make accepting challenges easier.
It saves a bit of time
25 May 10
Originally posted by drdonWell, if it comes about the flag means DO NOT ACCEPT THIS CHALLENGE, that would be a good thing. Perhaps then the practice of sandbagging would go away since the disadvantage of sandbagging might finally outway the benefit.
If the difference is "obvious", ergo obvious to clan leaders, why does it need a flag? A flag may come to mean 'DO NOT ACCEPT THIS CHALLENGE without further consideration. We do not need this complication.
Also, how is the flag a complication? The challenge can still be accepted. The only complication is that the sandbaggers are exposed.
26 May 10
Originally posted by my2sonsOMG the fabric of the universe may have torn!
I agree, let's vote on whether to improve the current system or leave the way it is.
If there is a strong response on improving the current clan challenge system then we can work on the detailing the improvements. I really don't want to spend a lot of time working a series of system improvements and then find out it is no big deal for most of the clans members.
How about that, coquette and I actually agree on something🙂🙂🙂
my2sons
26 May 10
Originally posted by drdonI don't see it as a complication. All the flag is doing would be highlighting someone playing well below their ability. The challenge can still be accepted as normal.
If the difference is "obvious", ergo obvious to clan leaders, why does it need a flag? A flag may come to mean 'DO NOT ACCEPT THIS CHALLENGE without further consideration. We do not need this complication.
26 May 10
Originally posted by adramforallSure the challenge can be accepted. That is the case now. Therefore there is absolutely no need for the red. or any other coloured flag. If the difference between players is as obvious as you indicate. the issue is is a dead duck.
I don't see it as a complication. All the flag is doing would be highlighting someone playing well below their ability. The challenge can still be accepted as normal.
We do not need a vote on this issue. The acceptance or challenges is up to clan leaders now. Why do we need a flag? To rescue leaders from stupidity? People shouldn't be clan leaders if they are so dim as to need a flag to tell them that a player is playing 350 below their normal rating!
26 May 10
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I think we should take it to Russ for a vote as my2sons suggested. We know we have one no vote but everyone else that's chimed in seems to think it's not a bad idea.
Does anyone else have anymore comments or suggestions to make this site idea any better than is proposed now?? Or just any more comments for or against this idea?? The more minds the better. I know there's pros and cons to almost any idea and maybe someone sees something I do not. And we don't want to create a monster here for this site.
So far all I can see this idea doing is improving this site and dramatically dealing with the sandbagging problem for clans that has been going on for years now and has only gotten worse over time.
26 May 10
Originally posted by darvlayThat was my original intent. The vote that's being called for now is quite a bit different from the OP, but my thinking is that if a less-comprehensive-but-still-helpful change gains support, then it's a step in the right direction.
What's with all this "Let's take this to Russ!" talk. Isn't that what you're doing by posting it here?
I have no idea how often these suggestions are reviewed, but ideally we'll get feedback soon to acknowledge the concept and agree to put it up for a vote.
26 May 10
Originally posted by darvlayIsn't that what you're doing by posting it here?
What's with all this "Let's take this to Russ!" talk. Isn't that what you're doing by posting it here?
Good question. I don't know how often he scans the forums. But if we send feedback with thread link we know Russ or Chris will get it then, I think .🙄