21st century and people still duped by bible?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
I have some sympathy for mainstream religionists.

But Scientology and Mormonism?
Both developed by con-artists.
Both disprovable.

Shows how gullible people can be.

You forgot Jehovah's Witnesses. Also a religion started by a known con-artist.

Originally posted by twhitehead
First, I think you should tell us what you would say. It seems to me to be an unreasonable question to ask. I for one do not have any magical or life changing advice to give them. nevertheless I agree with Duchess on this one. Until very recently I worked with Muslim women. They were in no way repressed or forced to wear anything and to all intents and pu ...[text shortened]... uld not forget that there is a mixture of culture and religion there and it is not all religion.

Well, another thing to consider is social mores. What is considered highly restrictive in one country may only be considered an inconvenience in another. People are most comfortable with what they grew up with, no matter how ill-conceived it seems to the rest of us.

Originally posted by iChopWoodForFree
You forgot Jehovah's Witnesses. Also a religion started by a known con-artist.

The whole forum has "been there, done that".

Originally posted by iChopWoodForFree
You forgot Jehovah's Witnesses. Also a religion started by a known con-artist.

Wow I could have to words to say to that but one cannot stop to kick every dog that barks at us.

Originally posted by Suzianne
The whole forum has "been there, done that".

and the whole forum still failed to substantiate the ludicrous claim.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
and the whole forum still failed to substantiate the ludicrous claim.

Your indoctrination is so deep, you wouldn't believe it anyway, so why bother?

(btw, that's also why I don't bother much with the atheists amymore, either.)

Coincidence? Not really.

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Exactly.

Originally posted by twhitehead
First, I think you should tell us what you would say..

I did.

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I didn't ask you what advice you would give to "an individual Muslim woman", as you well know. And besides, it would be "an individual Muslim woman's" prerogative to dismiss anything you suggested in answer to the question:

"What would be your advice to Muslim women who dress the way they do not because they want to, but because they feel they have no choice or are being forced?" The women you be addressing your advice to feel they are being forced.

Originally posted by twhitehead
Until very recently I worked with Muslim women. They were in no way repressed or forced to wear anything and to all intents and purposes were no different from most South African women.

But I have not said that I think all Muslim women feel repressed or that they are all forced to wear something. Nor is there any reason for you to be telling me that Muslim women are a diverse group. I asked a specific question. Both you and Duchess64 have chosen to side step it.

Originally posted by Suzianne
Well, another thing to consider is social mores. What is considered highly restrictive in one country may only be considered an inconvenience in another. People are most comfortable with what they grew up with, no matter how ill-conceived it seems to the rest of us.

What would be your advice to women who were not comfortable with what they'd grown up with and who did not want to subscribe to social mores that they found highly restrictive?

Originally posted by twhitehead
Although there are many Muslims in the Middle East, you should not forget that there is a mixture of culture and religion there and it is not all religion.

But my question ~ and my own answer to it ~ alludes to the "mixture of culture and religion" so I can hardly be said to be forgetting it.

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Would you also be unwilling to debate what advice to give to women regarding other issues they face ~ for instance in places like where I live ~ such as legal standing, domestic violence, reproductive health? Your sarcasm is off target. Both men and women can discuss things like this, and so they should. I suggested 5 options - so this can hardly be characterized as me telling them what to do.