16 Oct 15
Originally posted by sonshipHers a simple one for you: Hear oh Israel, the Lord your God is ONE.i do not find a trinity in the scriptures spoken of clearly. it is an interpretation.
a trinity may be true but it is an interpretation.
Yes it is interpretation. One can decide on the validity of interpretations.
Another set of three pointing to the Trinity.
There are three sections to the salutations in the book of Revelat ...[text shortened]...
Interpretation? Okay. I think valid interpretation of three pertaining to the Triune God.
It's written dozens of times.
Originally posted by sonshipThe words "Triune" and "Trinity" do not appear in the Bible anywhere, in any translation. Ever. You made them up, and implying they are in there and are somehow special and significant by capitalising them, is error and grossly misleading.
The final consummation of God's salvation - the New Jerusalem.
There are four sides and three gates on each side. This means 4 times 3 which is 12. The 12 gates point to perfection in eternity.
The 3 gates and mingled with the 4 sides to make multiplication.
The mingling of 3 and 4 stand for the mingling of the Triune God with His creature man.
...[text shortened]... usalem. Our destiny as believers is a corporate expression of God mingled with man - 3 x 4 = 12.
Originally posted by divegeester"Trinity" is just a name given to a concept well-covered throughout the Bible.
The words "Triune" and "Trinity" do not appear in the Bible anywhere, in any translation. Ever. You made them up, and implying they are in there and are somehow special and significant by capitalising them, is error and grossly misleading.
“Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit." (1 Peter 1:1-2)
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“For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.” (Romans 14:17-18)
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"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 28:19)
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"The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (2 Corinthians 13:14)
Originally posted by SuzianneThe word trinity is a an adjective and a noun used by trinitarians to explain the entity revealed in the Bible who we recognise as God. Our God is particularlty interested and concerned with the revelation of himself and his name across millennia and various dispensations. The names God applies to himself are plural, his being, his entity, his persona, is one. This for me is absolutely crystal clear in the Bible. It starts with God repeatedly saying to his people I AM ONE. He never, ever, not once, says I AM THREE.
"Trinity" is just a name given to a concept well-covered throughout the Bible.
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Originally posted by Grampy BobbyThat was Jesus himself speaking.
[b"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (Matthew 28:19[/b]
Show me one time after that clear and precise instruction from Matt 28:19 where disciples followed that instruction, in the manner and contex in which you are presenting here? Just one. You won't be able to because none of them did it. They all baptised in the name of Jesus Christ. Now, why did they do that?
16 Oct 15
Originally posted by mister moggy3 and 7 have always been popular prime numbers in almost any culture.
why do these numbers appear so often in the christian miracle stories ?
12 is popular because it has so many divisors. It is better than 10 as a base unit, but sadly we evolved with 10 fingers making counting in 12s a little harder.
20 and 40 also make a good units for larger figures and have also been popular in other cultures.
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Originally posted by mister moggy
why do these numbers appear so often in the christian miracle stories ?
why do these numbers appear so often in the christian miracle stories ?
Let's take the sign of Jesus turning water into wine John 2:1 - 11.
First, the miracles in John are called SIGNS which mean they point symbolically to profound spiritual matters. The turning of water into wine in John 2 is said to be the beginning of SIGNS that Jesus did in this book.
"This is the beginning of signs Jesus performed in Cana of Galilee and manifested His glory, and His disciples believed into Him." (John 2:11)
The turning of water into wine was the beginning of signs in John. We in the Lord's recovery believe that it sets the basic underlying principle of the whole Gospel of John. It represents Christ turning death into life. For John is about Christ being the divine life. And He came to turn our death into divine life.
Hence the basic sign underlines the foundational principle of John - In Him was life (John 1:4a) . And He is the bread of life. And He came that we may have life. And He is the resurrection and the life. And He is the way and the truth and the life. All these pronouncements are in John.
If we back up we see that this sign was performed on the third day (2:1).
"And the third day a wedding took place in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. And Jesus also was invited, as well as His disciples, to the wedding." (2:1,2)
However, it is peculiar that we don't know from what John means when he counts "the third day". I think it is symbolic of resurrection. For Divine life overcomes all death on the third day when Jesus rose from the dead.
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There were SIX water pots of water. The 6 probably represents created man. God made man on the 6th day in Genesis.
Man, though created by God, was filled up with death in his fall. Adam the man created on the sixth day brought sin and death into the world through his following Satan against the will of God.
So the 6 water pots filled with water signify created man filled up with death.
"Now there were six stone waterpots lying there, according to the Jews' rite of purification, holding two or three measures each.
Jesus said to them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.
And He said to them, Draw some out now and take it to the master of the feast. And they took it to him.
And when the master of the feast tasted the water which had become wine ..." (vs. 5-9a)
John sets the underlying principle of his Gospel in this sign. Jesus Christ changes death into life. He changes the water into wine. The enjoyment of the world runs out as the wine in the wedding ran out.
Initially the world seems so enjoyable. But latter the inferior nature of this enjoyment hits us. It is then we need Jesus to turn our death into life. He as divine life comes to us and into us to bring life to change our sin and death into the enjoyment of eternal life.
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The footnotes in the Recovery Version are helpful. Referring to some of them below:
The mother of Jesus represents the natural man which has nothing to do with the divine life and needs to be subdued by the divine life.
" And the third day a wedding took place in Cana of Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there." (v.1)
"And when the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to Him, They have no wine. And Jesus said to her, Woman, what do I have in this that concerns you? My hour has not yet come."
Cana means reed. And reeds signify weak and fragile people (Isaiah 42:3; Matt. 12:20a; 11:7)
Galilee was a despised place (John 7:52) .
Wine, the life juice of the grape, signifies life. The wine's running out symbolizes that the human life runs out.
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The mother of Jesus said to the servants, Whatever he says to you, do." (vs. 3,4)
The mother of Jesus stands for the natural man. The natural man must be subdued by Jesus.
The third day points the third day Christ rose from the dead. His hour for death came and His time for life to overcome death followed. This was on the third day.
"And the third day a wedding took place ... " (v.1)
The six stone pots were for purification in the Jews' religion,
"Now there were six stone waterpots lying there, according to the Jews' rite of purification, ... " (v.6a)
The third day points to resurrection (1 Cor. 15:4). But the six stone waterpots point to man created on the sixth day (Genesis 1:27,31)
The Jews' rite of purification with water signifies religion's attempt to make people clean by certain dead practices. But Jesus changes death into life. He changes the water into wine.
Two or three measures apiece that the stone water pots can hold equal twenty or thirty gallons. Water signifies death, as in Genesis 1:2,6.
The changing of water into wine signifies the changing of death into life.
Originally posted by divegeesterhttp://www.gotquestions.org/Trinity-Bible.html
The word trinity is a an adjective and a noun used by trinitarians to explain the entity revealed in the Bible who we recognise as God. Our God is particularlty interested and concerned with the revelation of himself and his name across millennia and various dispensations. The names God applies to himself are plural, his being, his entity, his persona, is ...[text shortened]... starts with God repeatedly saying to his people I AM ONE. He never, ever, not once, says I AM THREE.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/Comm/bowman_robert/trinity/trinity.cfm
https://www.blueletterbible.org/faq/don_stewart/don_stewart_320.cfm
