6000 years?

Originally posted by AThousandYoung
Civilization began about 6000 years ago. This is what Genesis ("The Beginning" ) is about, but it is not made clear what is beginning. So, many people assume it was the beginning of EVERYTHING.

I believe it means the beginning of the physical universe, but not the spiritual. Everything spiritual was made before our concept of measurement of time by the rotation of the Earth and night and day.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Isaiah 4:1 uses three metaphors.

And in that day seven women shall take hold of one man, saying,
We will eat our own bread, and wear our own apparel:
only let us be called by thy name, to take away our reproach.

This is referring to people like you.
[quote]It means they reject the whole truth of "Him" that they know is the "One," but t ...[text shortened]... In other words, they reject most of the truth, accepting only the parts they find convenient. 😏

Are you claiming that I cannot be a Christian because I don't believe in the doctrine of eternal burning in hell?

Originally posted by divegeester
Are you claiming that I cannot be a Christian because I don't believe in the doctrine of eternal burning in hell?

I am saying I believe Isaiah 4:1 applies to you, because you want to be called a Christian in the name of Christ to take away your own reproach, but also to keep believing your own truth and wear your own righteousness, rather than putting on the righteousness of Christ and believing His truth.

HalleluYaHshua ! Praise the LORD !

Originally posted by RJHinds
I am saying I believe Isaiah 4:1 applies to you, because you want to be called a Christian in the name of Christ to take away your own reproach, but also to keep believing your own truth and wear your own righteousness, rather than putting on the righteousness of Christ and believing His truth.

HalleluYaHshua ! Praise the LORD !

Then can you help me please. What specifically is it that you see me doing that relates to the scripture you quoted, means that I'm not a Christian and deserves that I burn in hell?

Originally posted by divegeester
Then can you help me please. What specifically is it that you see me doing that relates to the scripture you quoted, means that I'm not a Christian and deserves that I burn in hell?

Christ says,

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

(Mark 9:43-48 KJV)

Christ continues,

"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell."

(Matthew 10:28 KJV)

The word translated "destroy" is meant in the sense of being deprived of eternal life by being cast aside into the garbage heap of Gehenna that burns with fire.

"Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

(Matthew 25:41-46 KJV)

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

(Revelation 20:15 KJV)

And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

(Revelation 19:20 KJV)

HalleluYaHshua ! Praise the LORD!

Originally posted by RJHinds
[b]Christ says,

"And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having t ...[text shortened]... ast into the lake of fire.

(Revelation 20:15 KJV)

HalleluYaHshua ! Praise the LORD![/b]

What specifically is it that you see me doing that relates to the scripture you quoted, means that I'm not a Christian and deserves that I burn in hell?

Originally posted by divegeester
What [b]specifically is it that you see me doing that relates to the scripture you quoted, means that I'm not a Christian and deserves that I burn in hell?[/b]

I think it's more the case of anybody daring to disagree with 'him' that he deems as deserving of hell.

The irony is, he is putting his own immortal soul in danger by saying such things.

Originally posted by divegeester
What [b]specifically is it that you see me doing that relates to the scripture you quoted, means that I'm not a Christian and deserves that I burn in hell?[/b]

Christ told the following story:

There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores.

And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; and in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence.

Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: for I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.

Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.

And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

(Luke 16:19-31 KJV)

Do you still deny that there is a Hell with a Lake that burns with fire that forever torments those that are cast into it?

Originally posted by RJHinds
[b]Christ told the following story:
[quote] There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: and there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his ...[text shortened]... a Hell with a Lake that burns with fire that forever torments those that are cast into it? [/b][/b]

On the previous page you inferred, no virtually declared using "metaphors" that I am not a Christian when I claim to be one and that together with not believing in eternal hell is why I deserve to go there.

Of course you are forgetting that if I'm not a Christian then I will be going there anyway, right? So you are spinning a bit of a circular argument - am I a Christian who deserves hell because I don't believe it it, or am I not a Christian because I don't believe in it. While you will probably say the outcome is the same (which it is), the theological and doctrinal positions are very different.

I've repeatedly asked you if according to you I'm not a Christian because I don't believe in the doctrine of eternal suffering and so far you have avoided answering.

Originally posted by divegeester
On the previous page you inferred, no virtually declared using "metaphors" that I am not a Christian when I claim to be one and that together with not believing in eternal hell is why I deserve to go there.

Of course you are forgetting that if I'm not a Christian then I will be going there anyway, right? So you are spinning a bit of a circular argume ...[text shortened]... ause I don't believe in the doctrine of eternal suffering and so far you have avoided answering.

Moses wrote,

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

(Exodus 20:11 KJV)

Do you believe Moses when he said the LORD made the earth in six days or do you believe the atheist who claim it took billions of years?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Moses wrote,

For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

(Exodus 20:11 KJV)

[b]Do you believe Moses when he said the LORD made the earth in six days or do you believe the atheist who claim it took billions of years? [/b]

Are you going to answer my question or shall we just wrap this up here and I'll write off your claims along with the JW nonsense.

Originally posted by divegeester
Are you going to answer my question or shall we just wrap this up here and I'll write off your claims along with the JW nonsense.

If you will not answer my questions, I will write you off as a deceived and dishonest person and Dasa can deal with you. 😏

Originally posted by divegeester
Some here claim that the earth is only 6000 years old. What is the reasoning behind this?

Have you not read the Genesis account? Why do you care what another human being thinks about the age of the earth?

Biblical chronology places man outside Eden approximately 6000 years ago. The actual age of the earth and how long Adam and Eve lived there prior to the fall is a matter of discussion and opinion.

Originally posted by RJHinds
If you will not answer my questions, I will write you off as a deceived and dishonest person and Dasa can deal with you. 😏

I've told you a brazilion times you numbskull, I don't believe in eternal hell. I don't know about the 6000 years, hence my OP. Were you starved of oxygen at birth or something?

Originally posted by josephw
Have you not read the Genesis account? Why do you care what another human being thinks about the age of the earth?

Biblical chronology places man outside Eden approximately 6000 years ago. The actual age of the earth and how long Adam and Eve lived there prior to the fall is a matter of discussion and opinion.

In order of your questions:

Yes I've read it many many many times.

I "care" (am interested) because this is a discussion forum and I would like to hear other people's view points.

Yes. Exactly...the age of the earth IS a matter of discussion...err...hence my OP! And I refer you to your second question which is answered above.