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17 Dec 14
Originally posted by sonshipNot at all. I have it ready. I have posted it several times before, remember? It is one of the most disastrous bits of mean-spirited mumbo jumbo you've ever come out with. I am not the slightest bit "afraid" of posting it again. I am just interested in seeing how far down the road (of denying divegeester's characterization of what you meant) you are willing to go. It is, after all, you who is bluffing here, not him, and not me.
Are you afraid to put the quotation up?
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Originally posted by divegeesterYou're spin on what I wrote I find a distortion of what I meant.
Not at all. But i want you to deny it categorically before I do.
And I did clarify that distortion before.
Now let's look at what sonship said by your quotation of what I wrote.
What thread was that in ?
17 Dec 14
Originally posted by sonshipdivegeester's characterization of what you wrote is spot on. In fact, your own words are probably more damning and grotesque than how he has put it.
You're spin on what I wrote I find a distortion of what I meant.
And I did clarify that distortion before.
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By the way Divegeester, on another thread I have to my recollection at least two other outstanding requests which you seem to want to ignore.
Did you ever give me, as I asked, your interpretation of Acts 20:28?
Did you ever explain why it is wrong for Christians to refer to the first day of the week as "the Lord's day"?
These, I think, were on the thread about Sin.
17 Dec 14
Originally posted by sonshipNo it is not a distortion. You were explaining how your knowledge of the awfulness of knowing the final outcome (eternal suffering in hell was the topic in hand) of those who mistreat you helps you forgive them.
You're spin on what I wrote I find a distortion of what I meant.
And I did clarify that distortion before.
Now let's [b]look at what sonship said by your quotation of what I wrote.
What thread was that in ?[/b]
I can find the thread and the post once you deny it.
17 Dec 14
Originally posted by sonshipI'm happy to address those questions. Please bump them in the threads they are in.
By the way Divegeester, on another thread I have to my recollection at least two other outstanding requests which you seem to want to ignore.
Did you ever give me, as I asked, your interpretation of [b]Acts 20:28?
Did you ever explain why it is wrong for Christians to refer to the first day of the week as "the Lord's day"?
These, I think, were on the thread about Sin.[/b]
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17 Dec 14
Originally posted by divegeester
No it is not a distortion. You were explaining how your knowledge of the awfulness of knowing the final outcome (eternal suffering in hell was the topic in hand) of those who mistreat you helps you forgive them.
I can find the thread and the post once you deny it.
No it is not a distortion. You were explaining how your knowledge of the awfulness of knowing the final outcome (eternal suffering in hell was the topic in hand) of those who mistreat you helps you forgive them.
The simple point which I clarified was that God was the final Judge, is what empowered me to forgive.
God being the final Judge is NOT ONLY, NOT SOLELY condemning to eternal punishment the unreconciled.
Your spin which you want to hang on me is like this -
"I know you are going to hell, so I forgive you."
What I meant which you will not accept is -
"I know that God is the final judge of all moral behavior, including my own. Therefore I better forgive you in His name."
Now you can put the quote up.
17 Dec 14
Originally posted by sonshipI'm not denying how you subsequently (and again now) tried to rationalise what you said; but you did say it as part of a long extrapolation of the doctrine of eternal suffering in hell. You explained that knowing their final destination through god's judgement helped you forgive those people who mistreated you.No it is not a distortion. You were explaining how your knowledge of the awfulness of knowing the final outcome (eternal suffering in hell was the topic in hand) of those who mistreat you helps you forgive them.
The simple point which I clarified was that God was the final Judge, is what empowered me to forgive.
God being the final ...[text shortened]... ng my own. Therefore I better forgive you in His name."
Now you can put the quote up.
If you deny saying this I will find the post so you can review it.
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17 Dec 14
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Originally posted by divegeester
You explained that knowing their final destination through god's judgement helped you forgive those people who mistreated you.
Everyone's final judgment is the consideration.
Now what's wrong with that ?
Where's the immorality in being forgiving because you know "Vengeance is Mine, says the Lord, I will repay." (Rom. 12:19) ? If you want to consider it from the standpoint of perdition soley, what's the wrong that astounds you?
What's wrong with forgiving even empowered by the realization the any balancing of the scales, any vengence, is not mine? In fact it is not any of ours. God says He will repay.
You have not pointed out, even if I was restricting forgiveness to what the lost did to me, something wrong with that.
17 Dec 14
Originally posted by sonshipWe did go over this several times at and around the time you posted it.You explained that knowing their final destination through god's judgement helped you forgive those people who mistreated you.
Everyone's final judgment is the consideration.
Now what's wrong with that ?
Where's the immorality in being forgiving because you know [b]"Vengence is Mine, says the Lord, I will repay." ? If you wan ...[text shortened]... was restricting forgiveness to what the lost did to me, something wrong with that.[/b]
Yes I think there is "something wrong" with finding your ability to forgive fortified by the knowledge that the forgivee will be burning in eternal agony for all eternity. That you cannot see what is wrong with this mindset exposes the chasm between our perspectives.
17 Dec 14
Originally posted by sonshipWhy do you feel there is a great benefit to your present day Christian walk from believing that those whom you see as your enemies and those you claim mistreat you will be tortured in burning agony for eternity?.
What's wrong with forgiving even empowered by the realization the any balancing of the scales, any vengence, is not mine? In fact it is not any of ours. God says He will repay.