Originally posted by galveston75Often the surface of those utopian societies is peeled back to reveal sinister forces at work. Other episodes reveal strict conformity and outcast heroic rebel groups.
It's funny but sometimes a movie or TV show will come out that shows some future idealic, peaceful utopia type of world with all getting along with no crime, injustice, hunger, etc, and most seem to like those type of societies because of the peace and unity among all that is there.
But yet, it is so terrible when the JW's are working for that now by f ...[text shortened]... s because they have some other motive in their life and do not want to live under God's ways....
There are a number of such tropes at
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/search_result.php?cx=partner-pub-6610802604051523%3Aamzitfn8e7v&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=utopia
or if that doesn't work, by searching on utopia at
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage
Example:
quote:
False Utopia
You live in a place that can only appear in the most beautiful dreams. The world is perfect, all is well, everyone is happy...
...or so you think. Your cozy little world is not as perfect as it seems. It never was. You just haven’t noticed yet.
A False Utopia is a place, town, or even a world that seems or at least is supposed to have no faults, while in reality it just hides them very carefully from its inhabitants. Many False Utopias are Dystopias in disguise (addressing the 0% Approval Rating aspect of Dystopia Is Hard), but not all; it's enough to try or pretend to be perfect, but always fall short, simply because perfection isn’t part of real life.
A False Utopia can manifest itself in these ways:
The world is obviously flawed or even a living Hell, but its people don’t know it (whether because they are lied to, kept in the dark, brainwashed, or are actually stupid) and don’t even notice their happiness is fake.
It looks perfect at first, then after a while living in it, the protagonist discovers that it isn’t, and often, the means that brought the Utopia to life are questionable. Often a big sign is finding out the truth about someone who's been Released to Elsewhere.
The whole utopia is too good to be true. So good it is not true: it’s only a dream, an illusion, or a scam.
Look out!!! Many False Utopias are meant to stay secret, so expect heavy spoilers on this trope!
A False Utopia is often a Crapsaccharine World. Contrast Crapsack World, where the world is Hell but everybody usually knows. If it's a suburb town, it's Stepford Suburbia.
unquote
Originally posted by JS357Believe me it is never automatic by any means. Every elder has experiance and has been exposed to almost every situation. The bottom line is NO elder wants anyone to be disfellowshipped.
The problem with "sexual immorality" as a label is that it seems to imply sex for sex sake. But the situation often brings true love to people who are in loveless relationships. The decision to discontinue a deep emotional relationship and return to one that is dry and cold, can be the issue, it's not just wanting the sex. I hope elders have training in these ...[text shortened]... y be duty bound to insist on termination of the relationship and reunion with the spouse if any.
If an elder were to unjustly disfellowship someone and that is brought out by God, that elder will have to answer to God as we all do.
The Bible warns elders or those in the lead to be very careful of the position God gave them and if it is abused, they will answer to God.
Originally posted by JS357I'm just talking of humanity and what they portray as omething good but yet condemn us for trying.
Often the surface of those utopian societies is peeled back to reveal sinister forces at work. Other episodes reveal strict conformity and outcast heroic rebel groups.
There are a number of such tropes at
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/search_result.php?cx=partner-pub-6610802604051523%3Aamzitfn8e7v&cof=FORID%3A10&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=utopia
or if that doesn't ...[text shortened]... is Hell but everybody usually knows. If it's a suburb town, it's Stepford Suburbia.
unquote
And yes anything that was designed by MAN will never work. Only something directed by GOD will ever work.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIf that is the case how do you explain the quote in the OP?
too right, they have become like the sow who was cleaned up and then returned to the mire! they have set a bad example by their conduct and are rightly disfellowshipped! Peter mentions the very fact,
The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire. 2 Peter 2:22.
how will you explain that? they are once again touching the unclean thing, Babalyon the great, ouch.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieSo, why do you bother going house to house again? You are "bringing not this doctrine", and so people should "receive him not into your house", right? Thanks for clearing that up robbie.
So it takes an atheist to acknowledge that disfellowshipping is scriptural, shame on those who profess to be Christians, putting bad for good and good for bad! As to your question PK,
2 John 1:10
New International Version
If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take them into your house or welcome them.
New Living ...[text shortened]... ceive him not into the house, and say not to him, 'Hail!'
http://biblehub.com/2_john/1-10.htm
3 edits
Originally posted by Proper Knobthere is no contradiction as far as I can see, the Bible is clear on the matter, you leave and start teaching something else you are an apostate, we can hardly rejoice at someone becoming an apostate and we have the scriptural right to disfellowship them. On the other hand when someone becomes a witness and repents of their sinful life we have a cause to rejoice, no contradiction, its just sore loosers that like to try and make out there is, so sad for them.
If that is the case how do you explain the quote in the OP?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis one is simple, even for a simpleton. The one your church (your pastor, your minister, your congregation) judges as "wicked" is not always wicked.
lets here those who prefer to proffer their own opinions instead of scripture explain the following,
1 Corinthians 5:13
New International Version
God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked person from among you."
New Living Translation
God will judge those on the outside; but as the Scriptures say, "You must remove the evil person fr ...[text shortened]... e; and put ye away the evil from among yourselves.
http://biblehub.com/1_corinthians/5-13.htm
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow can the article claim -
there is no contradiction as far as I can see, the Bible is clear on the matter, you leave and start teaching something else you are an apostate, we can hardly rejoice at someone becoming an apostate and we have the scriptural right to disfellowship them.
"No one should be forced to worship in a way that he finds unacceptable or be made to choose between his beliefs and his family."
And yet apostates are to be shunned and will more than likely have to choose between their beliefs and family.