A non productive forum......

@divegeester

What one significant Christian belief of yours have you “reconsidered the accuracy of your understanding of the Lord his word and the way” as a result of your interactions here on this forum?

Mostly it has been for me the way of the Lord in love, patience, empathy, forbearance, prayer and dependence on His Spirit.

Some other things about church history, which can be voluminous, I have learned I should study some more.

Concerning the words of the Bible itself ? I sat and thought for a long time, "Now, who has brought your attention to something you didn't know was written in the Bible?"

It was hard to find a memorable instance.

@sonship said
Galveston75,
Why do you believe the arch-angel Michael became Jesus Christ ?

'I was the architect at his side. I was his constant delight, rejoicing always in his presence.' (Prov 8:30).

@divegeester

I’ve gotta be honest sonship, I’m hearing the words but I’m not seeing them played out.

Oh, I fully realize that that is why you asked the question, so that you could make that reply.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

'I was the architect at his side. I was his constant delight, rejoicing always in his presence.' (Prov 8:30).

I don't assume that Galveston75's reply is your reply.

But why would you believe that that is Michael the archangel speaking anyway ?

Wisdom is personified in Proverbs chapter 8. And some have made an arguable case the Wisdom there is the Son of God. It begins -

verse 1 - Does not wisdom call, And understanding lift up her head?

Wisdom is the personified speaker throughout the chapter. The significant verse for some is verse 22. A few translations are noted:

New International Version
"The LORD brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;

But if Wisdom was brought forth and previously wasn't how did God have THE wisdom to bring forth wisdom?

God "possessed" Wisdom is the more logical understanding how the Hebrew should be read.

New Living Translation
“The LORD formed me from the beginning, before he created anything else.

If God formed wisdom which before was not formed, where did God have the wisdom to form wisdom?

That God possessed wisdom is the better understanding.

English Standard Version
“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of his work, the first of his acts of old.

This makes sense. For Wisdom has existed as long as God has existed.

Consistently, He who was with God and was God (John 1:1) has His days of coming forth from eternity

Micah 5:2
But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, who are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come forth for Me One to be ruler over Israel, whose origins are of old, from the days of eternity.

God possessed His Word, Who was with God and was God. from eternity.
He could not WITHOUT Wisdom create Wisdom.

But from old He could POSSESS Wisdom eternally.

New American Standard Bible
"The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.

New King James Version
“The LORD possessed me at the beginning of His way, Before His works of old.

King James Bible
The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.
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If Wisdom in Proverbs is Christ then it is also true that ...

Proverbs 3:19
The LORD by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens.

John 1:1,2
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God…

Colossians 1:17
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

And there are other reasons why Wisdom as some co-equal with God the Creator could not be Michael the arch-angel.

Michael the arch-angel recognized his subordinate place to Lucifer (who became Satan). And though Satan had totally rebelled, as David still respected Saul's higher rank by original ordination, so Michael recognized respectfully the previous higher rank of Lucifer.

Jude 9

"But Michael the archangel, when he contended with the devil and disputed concerning the body of Moses,

DID NOT DARE to bring a reviling judgment against him but said, The Lord rebuke you."

Jesus Christ as a man however said directly "Get behind Me Satan".

There exists a pushback. But why should I volunteer it. I'll wait to see if someone else knows about it.

In the meantime - the Logos, the Word, the Wisdom of God is God Himself. (John 1:1)

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

'I was the architect at his side. I was his constant delight, rejoicing always in his presence.' (Prov 8:30).

I don't assume that Galveston75's reply is your reply.

Well, if you had listened to what JW's believe, you would.

Do you think I just plucked a random quote from the bible?