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The earth and nature is such a beatiful place, and we are surrounded by amazing breath taking sights, even something as simple as the existance of a tree amazes me (for example how something as tall and mighty as a tree that has the ability live for hundreds of years came from a seed). So if there is no god out there who created it all, how does this beaty exist? Because theories like the Big Bang theory and similar ones dont convince me. I just don't see how this beatiful world could have been created by an explosion.
Any comments?
05 Sep 08
Originally posted by black beetleDo you mean why do I think it is false?
Hi TBB;
Where exactly you think that this theory is falce?
Well to me it seems that us humans and nature and the complexity of our functioning seems far too complicated for an explosion to create, do you think? In my opinion, we must have been created by an intellictual being. I belive that it was God (as in the christian god) but for this argument I'm going to keep it general to any "super being".
05 Sep 08
Originally posted by TheBadBishopYes, don't you think that 'create' is too anthropomorphic to apply to a 'superior being'.
The earth and nature is such a beatiful place, and we are surrounded by amazing breath taking sights, even something as simple as the existance of a tree amazes me (for example how something as tall and mighty as a tree that has the ability live for hundreds of years came from a seed). So if there is no god out there who created it all, how does this be ...[text shortened]... ust don't see how this beatiful world could have been created by an explosion.
Any comments?
How about nature as an expression of the nature of God?
05 Sep 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageYeah I reckon nature is an expression of the nature of God, but he still created everything (in my opinion), its just a word and I wouldnt look too much into it.
Yes, don't you think that 'create' is too anthropomorphic to apply to a 'superior being'.
How about nature as an expression of the nature of God?
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Originally posted by TheBadBishopWords are very important -- technically, to say 'God created the world' is to create an idol: you fashion a likeness of God in your mind, to which God is unlikely to be identical.
Yeah I reckon nature is an expression of the nature of God, but he still created everything (in my opinion), its just a word and I wouldnt look too much into it.
Best to say as little as possible ...
05 Sep 08
Originally posted by TheBadBishopIt's amazing that an tree can be into being from a small seed. It would amaze me more if the tree came out of nothing.
The earth and nature is such a beatiful place, and we are surrounded by amazing breath taking sights, even something as simple as the existance of a tree amazes me (for example how something as tall and mighty as a tree that has the ability live for hundreds of years came from a seed). So if there is no god out there who created it all, how does this be ...[text shortened]... ust don't see how this beatiful world could have been created by an explosion.
Any comments?
It's amazing that the universe came into being from a big explosion. It would amaze me more if it was constructed bit by bit.
The first paragraph is about evolution.
The second paragraph is about cosmogony.
05 Sep 08
Originally posted by TheBadBishopYou are free to believe whatever you want, but can you be specific regarding the Bib Bang? I asked you which part/ parts of the theory you estimate that they are false because I understood that you prefer some other theory or explanation. If your intention was just to say that you have a specific religion which contradicts with the Big Bang and therefore you dismiss this theory in the name of your faith, OK then, kindly please feel free to have your religion;
Do you mean why do I think it is false?
Well to me it seems that us humans and nature and the complexity of our functioning seems far too complicated for an explosion to create, do you think? In my opinion, we must have been created by an intellictual being. I belive that it was God (as in the christian god) but for this argument I'm going to keep it general to any "super being".
05 Sep 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageQuite the contrary.
Words are very important -- technically, to say 'God created the world' is to create an idol: you fashion a likeness of God in your mind, to which God is unlikely to be identical.
Best to say as little as possible ...
To say that God created the world is not to worship the world. Therefore it is not to make an idol to replace God.
Much of what I know about idols from the Bible never ever suggests that to acknolwedge God as the Creator is to make an idol.
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Originally posted by TheBadBishop…. Well to me it seems that us humans and nature and the complexity of our FUNCTIONING seems far too complicated for an explosion to create, do you think?…. (my emphasis)
Do you mean why do I think it is false?
Well to me it seems that us humans and nature and the complexity of our functioning seems far too complicated for an explosion to create, do you think? In my opinion, we must have been created by an intellictual being. I belive that it was God (as in the christian god) but for this argument I'm going to keep it general to any "super being".
Exactly what do you mean by “our FUNCTIONING“ ? do you mean “biological function”?
- if so, nobody is saying an “explosion” created our biological functions -evolution created our biological functions (although, no doubt, we wouldn’t exist without the big bang). Are you confusing the big bang theory with the theory of evolution?
05 Sep 08
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Originally posted by black beetleWhat Bang ? Isn't that kind of imprecise scientific language to speak of the Big Bang. I mean there was no air so how could there be a Bang ?
You are free to believe whatever you want, but can you be specific regarding the Bib Bang? I asked you which part/ parts of the theory you estimate that they are false because I understood that you prefer some other theory or explanation. If your intention was just to say that you have a specific religion which contradicts with the Big Bang and therefor ...[text shortened]... s this theory in the name of your faith, OK then, kindly please feel free to have your religion;
Your expression "Big Bang" is kind of scientifically naive. Maybe you should come up with a more scientifically precise sounding expression.
05 Sep 08
Originally posted by Bosse de NageThe first verse of he Bible, inspired by the words of God himself "In the beggining God created the heaves and the earth", I don't see how you can disagree with the word created? and instead of arguing over words, why not address the actually question?
Words are very important -- technically, to say 'God created the world' is to create an idol: you fashion a likeness of God in your mind, to which God is unlikely to be identical.
Best to say as little as possible ...
05 Sep 08
Originally posted by FabianFnasThis might interest you:
It's amazing that an tree can be into being from a small seed. It would amaze me more if the tree came out of nothing.
It's amazing that the universe came into being from a big explosion. It would amaze me more if it was constructed bit by bit.
The first paragraph is about evolution.
The second paragraph is about cosmogony.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/spinoza-modal/
It branches out from Spinoza's view that “in nature there is nothing contingent, but all things have been determined from the necessity of the divine nature to exist and produce an effect in a certain way” (EIp29) and that “things could have been produced by God in no other way, and in no other order than they have been produced” (EIp33).
05 Sep 08
Originally posted by jaywillHi jaywill🙂
What Bang ? Isn't that kind of imprecise scientific language to speak of the Big Bang. I mean there was no air so how could there be a Bang ?
Your expression "Big Bang" is kind of scientifically naive. Maybe you should come up with a more scientifically precise sounding expression.
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