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21 Jun 17
Originally posted by FMFWell you aren't an atheist either (or so you claim) so if you think you know better then good for you.
Once again, you appear not to have any idea what a lack of belief in supernatural beings and phenomena actually is. I don't think there is anything "slow" about me pointing it out.
21 Jun 17
Originally posted by dj2becker"The odd atheist" and "the odd good works"?
Well if you don't need faith to be saved and good works can cut it, then surely the odd atheist who deep down is wondering what if i'm wrong and God exists, will think as long as I do the odd good works I'll be grand.
21 Jun 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerIsn't the entire Christian religion about "hope" which, you seem to think, results in good works? What is the harm if an "atheist" has some kind of "hope" and it results in good works? I don't see that there's any substance in your beef with Rakj999 over him supposedly giving "false hope". It is surely - in the minds of atheists - every bit as much "false hope" as the one you peddle.
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/odd
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21 Jun 17
Originally posted by FMFIf Rajk999 has convinced atheists that they don't need faith (something the Bible clearly says they do) then from my perspective he is giving them 'false hope'. I'm surprised you can't seem to grasp this concept even after claiming to have been a 'Christian' for so many years.
Isn't the entire Christian religion about "hope" which, you seem to think, results in good works? What is the harm if an "atheist" has some kind of "hope" and it results in good works? I don't see that there's any substance in your beef with Rakj999 over him supposedly giving "false hope". It is surely - in the minds of atheists - every bit as much "false hope" as the one you peddle.
21 Jun 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerYou mean atheists having "hope" of being "saved" in a "supernatural" way? Surely atheists are already convinced that they don't need the faith that Christians talk about? To an atheist, Christians for the most part deal in "false hope" and little else, especially those that wallow in their faith and have absolutely nothing to offer on how their spirituality can propel and govern their good works.
If Rajk999 has convinced atheists that they don't need faith (something the Bible clearly says they do) then from my perspective he is giving them 'false hope'.
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21 Jun 17
Originally posted by FMFI was sharing my perspective. From my perspective Rajk is giving atheists a false sense of security by saying faith in not important or necessary for salvation. If you disagree with my perspective that's fine by me.
You mean atheists having "hope" of being "saved" in a "supernatural" way? Surely atheists are already convinced that they don't need the faith that Christians talk about? To an atheist, Christians for the most part deal in "false hope" and little else, especially those that wallow in their faith and have absolutely nothing to offer on how their spirituality can propel and govern their good works.
Originally posted by dj2beckerYour perspective ~ that atheists might be concerned with the "hope" or (now) "security" of knowing they will benefit from a theist notion of "salvation" thanks to a divine being and that they might have "back up plans" in order to earn "eternal life" ~ is a peculiar one to say the least. The idea that you are seeking to protect atheists from what Rajk999 says is almost comical.
I was sharing my perspective. From my perspective Rajk is giving atheists a false sense of security by saying faith in not important or necessary for salvation. If you disagree with my perspective that's fine by me.
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21 Jun 17
Originally posted by FMFFrom your perspective all my beliefs about the supernatural are peculiar so there's nothing new there. And from my perspective it is quite peculiar that you have such little grasp for Christian concepts for someone who professes to have been one for quite a few decades.
Your perspective ~ that atheists might be concerned with the "hope" or (now) "security" of knowing they will benefit from a theist notion of "salvation" thanks to a divine being and that they might have "back up plans" in order to earn "eternal life" ~ is a peculiar one to say the least.
Originally posted by dj2beckerYou repeat this little soundbite quite often. Do you think it constitutes a 'debating point' of some substance? I post here as a non-Christian. Your attempts to dismiss or dissipate scrutiny of your current beliefs with little waves of the hand aimed at what I happened to believe decades ago, about which you don't have much information, has more than the whiff of dodging about it.
And from my perspective it is quite peculiar that you have such little grasp for Christian concepts for someone who professes to have been one for quite a few decades.
21 Jun 17
Originally posted by dj2beckerWhat is the harm in such "false hope" during "the odd atheist's" lifetime if them having that hope has no bearing on the fact [according to your beliefs] that they ~ as non-believers ~ are heading for "damnation" anyway?
From my perspective Rajk is giving atheists a false sense of security by saying faith in not important or necessary for salvation.
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Originally posted by dj2beckerYour perspective is illogical. What use do I have for a 'sense of security,' when it comes to something I don't believe in?
I was sharing my perspective. From my perspective Rajk is giving atheists a false sense of security by saying faith in not important or necessary for salvation. If you disagree with my perspective that's fine by me.
I think you are muddling atheists for agnostics. You might as well give me a safety net to protect me from falling elephants.
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Originally posted by FMFObviously having a false sense of security might prevent them from actually leaving their comfort zone and making the leap of faith since they will think it's not necessary anyways.
What is the harm in such "false hope" during "the odd atheist's" lifetime if them having that hope has no bearing on the fact [according to your beliefs] that they ~ as non-believers ~ are heading for "damnation" anyway?