A Short Note on Grace

Originally posted by KellyJay
I am not sure what you are saying here, you believe there should be a point
where everyone no matter what should be saved?
Kelly

I think its kind of like this:

Supposing:

The Bible says salvation is available to all;
The Bible says not all will be saved, and
It is impossible that the Bible errs in this.
Therefore it is impossible that all will be saved.

This unique regard for the Bible's truth makes violations of what it says as impossible as violations of logic.

But it seems to me that if it is impossible for all to be saved, then if (supposing) all but one person are saved, it was therefore, impossible for that unsaved one to be saved. Salvation was not available to that one, it was taken away due to his being the last one unsaved. But salvation is available to all, isn't it? This is a logical contradiction if the Bible (and our understanding of it) is right. The same logic works if >1 person are the last ones unsaved.

So, it must be false that the Bible says not all will be saved.

This is logical unless we'd rather deny logic, than deny the Bible or our understanding of it.

Which (denying logic instead of the Bible or our understanding of it) seems quite agreeable to some people.

Originally posted by JS357
I think its kind of like this:

Supposing:

The Bible says salvation is available to all;
The Bible says not all will be saved, and
It is impossible that the Bible errs in this.
Therefore it is impossible that all will be saved.

This unique regard for the Bible's truth makes violations of what it says as impossible as violations of logic.

But it s ...[text shortened]... logic instead of the Bible or our understanding of it) seems quite agreeable to some people.

Two different things come into play, first people are to be held accountable
for their lives, and those that want it and those that don't. It is no different
than the saying you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it
drink.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Two different things come into play, first people are to be held accountable
for their lives, and those that want it and those that don't. It is no different
than the saying you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it
drink.
Kelly

This doesn't really address what I said just above, but then again, I have never seen it addressed here and can't find a philosophical analysis of it on the internet. It is similar to the "problem of hell" which is addressed at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_Hell

...but the idea that the non-saved are annihilated instead of being tortured for eternity, takes much the wind out of the sails of that problem.

Originally posted by JS357
This doesn't really address what I said just above, but then again, I have never seen it addressed here and can't find a philosophical analysis of it on the internet. It is similar to the "problem of hell" which is addressed at

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Problem_of_Hell

...but the idea that the non-saved are annihilated instead of being tortured for eternity, takes much the wind out of the sails of that problem.

So if God's mercy is so complete where every sin a person has done is
forgiven. In psalms God's mercy has Him casting our sins from us as far
as the east is from the west. He does not mix in punishment with His
mercy, His forgiveness is so complete!

Psalm 103:
12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

If God's mercy is so fully complete, what do you think God's wrath will be
like? Do you think any mercy will be mixed into it? If the devil and his
angels will be judged and everyone who works with them, for them, or
sides in anyway with them, or behaves like them in any manner, meaning
sinning, will be shown anything but wrath if they are found guilty?

Yes God's love is something everyone wants to talk about, He could never
do this if He really loved, He is also a God of justice and He will act when
called for. Reality the eternal version after judgment day will not have
anything in it that sins, that purge will be complete.
Kelly