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@sonship saidDear @sonship, I appreciate and welcome your example.
This is not intended as a long drawn out discussion invitation.
If there is an OP it is personal.
I will discussif really necessary. There might be some profit in that to some.
I forgive anyone who has insulted me with whatever words I did not like. Recently, I begin my prayers with a request that God would have mercy on all my enemies. If I have any, I begin so ...[text shortened]... st us. Please Father, have mercy on all of my enemies or anyone who has trespassed against me." [/b]
As Marcus Aurelius once wrote in his notes to himself, "If someone offers a sincere apology, forgive them immediately."
I in return forgive you for having the temerity to judge me and others to the extent that you thought a public display of forgiveness would be in order. 😉
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@kevin-eleven saidYes I would.
I've noticed that in some cases Christianity seems to have a special appeal for highly egocentric people.
Wouldn't you agree?
@kevin-eleven saidWell, obviously. Greek and Roman gods were very sparing about granting immortality to humans. But for Christians, any damned fool can join the immortality club. Little wonder some of them get big-headed about it.
I've noticed that in some cases Christianity seems to have a special appeal for highly egocentric people.
Wouldn't you agree?
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@moonbus
You don't understand.
What God wants to be with Him in eternity is Christ His Beloved Son.
What God meant by man is Christ.
What is normal is His Son - Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ infused into great city of
God united with man.
It is not "You get to live immortally with all that sin, sins, transgressions, uncleaness, rebellion, lawlessness, iniquities, even ungodly naturalness. You receive the one who IS eternal life the Son of God."
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Now God has a way to impart Christ into human beings to save them from ruinatin of the fall, transform them, sactify them, conform them, transfigure them and glorify them and buikd them up together into a corporate match for Himself.
So this dispensing of Jesus Christ into us to to make us suitable to be enjoy for eternity inheriting all that God has and is.
This is also our coming into our truest identity. So here you can see His eternal purpose is to conform men and women to the image of His Son that He would be the FIRSTBORN among MANY brothers. [Brothers does not mean males but the sme life and nature and expression).
And we know that all things work together for good th those who love God, to those who are called according to His PURPOSE.
God is able to engineer all things in your life and even in the whole universe to work out for His purpose. That is He can by His infinite providence and sovereignty turn out EVERYTHING for the advancement of His purpose.
Becuase those whom He foreknew, He also predestinated to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the Firstborn among many brothers. (v.29)
The nature of the universe therefore is that it is created that God may mass produce Christ His Son in many sons.
@sonship saidYou don’t half come out with a load of erroneous pretentious waffle at times sonship.
@moonbus
You don't understand.
What God wants to be with Him in eternity is Christ His Beloved Son.
What God meant by man is Christ. What is normal is His Son - Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ infused into great city of God united with man.
It is not "You get to live immortally with all that sin, sins, transgressions, uncleaness, rebellion, lawlessness, iniquities, even ungodly naturalness. You receive the one who IS eternal life the Son of God."
@sonship saidSo why didn’t God just forgive Adam on the spot and dwell in him in eternity? Why all the rigamarole?
Now God has a way to impart Christ into human beings to save them from ruinatin of the fall, transform them, sactify them, conform them, transfigure them and glorify them and buikd them up together into a corporate match for Himself.
So this dispensing of Jesus Christ into us to to make us suitable to be enjoy for eternity inheriting all that God has and is.
Th ...[text shortened]... the universe therefore is that it is created that God may mass produce Christ His Son in many sons.
@sonship saidYou missed the point. It's not about God's plan for humanity. It's about what sort of person would be attracted to a religion which promises immortality to all comers. Not all do, you know.
@moonbus
You don't understand.
What God wants to be with Him in eternity is Christ His Beloved Son.
What God meant by man is Christ.
What is normal is His Son - Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ infused into great city of
God united with man.
It is not "You get to live immortally with all that sin, sins, transgressions, uncleaness, rebell ...[text shortened]... ess, iniquities, even ungodly naturalness. You receive the one who IS eternal life the Son of God."
Suppose there were a religion based on the Ten Commandments of the OT plus "Love God and your neighbor as yourself" and that was it -- no promise of immortality, no heaven, no lake of fire. How many adherents would this religion garner, d'ya reckon?
@moonbus saidThis is patently untrue.
Well, obviously. Greek and Roman gods were very sparing about granting immortality to humans. But for Christians, any damned fool can join the immortality club. Little wonder some of them get big-headed about it.
There is zero worth to Pascal's Wager.
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You missed the point. It's not about God's plan for humanity.
Life and existence and the universd is about God's plan.
We were trained to think there is no plan or purpose.
It's about what sort of person would be attracted to a religion which promises immortality to all comers. Not all do, you know.
Jesus Christ is attractive.
Many find Jesus Christ an attraction for Who He is.
Many are repulsed. But many are attracted.
He thought of Hmself as an attraction and that God His Father would draw men
to Him. He taught and acted as "the light of the world"
"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myswelf." (John 12:32)
In your next post could you tell me who world history you find MORE of an attraction worthy to pay attention to than Jesus.
Give me some names please that I might muse on the comparison.
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Cont. with moonbass
Suppose there were a religion based on the Ten Commandments of the OT plus "Love God and your neighbor as yourself" and that was it -- no promise of immortality, no heaven, no lake of fire. How many adherents would this religion garner, d'ya reckon?
Sounds like Jomh Lennon's song "Imagine".
Some biographer on Lennon said he too became a believer in Christ in
the midst of one of his substance abuse trials while watching Billy Graham on TV.
I didn't invent it. I saw it in a biography of the man.
Now the Old Testament was overwhelmingly about earthly blessings.
Not that much was indicated about eternal judgment.
In the Old Testament of the ten commandments of Moses, most of the benefits from obeying God were to be benefits of well being and prosperity in this life - especially national blessings concerning Isarael and the good land.
Eternal destinies to all mankind came much more to the forefront in the NT when eternal redemption was revealed.
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Cont. srtill wirth moonbass:
And for you to caricature everyone who has loved Jesus the Son of God only because of blessings of the next age would be a bias useful to you. Reading some autobiographical accounts of believers you would find many were attracted to Jesus for the immediacy of His saving power in TODAY'S trials and tribulations.
"Oh, you ALL just want to go to a heavenly mansion!" would be a bias useful to YOUR rationale to deem Jesus unworthy of serious listening to.
That His words touch all time and eternity is the dimension of His all-inclusive message.
So, I am a fool for Jesus Christ, Lord and Savior of all time and eternity.
Whose fool are you?
Or whose fool would you rather be?