15 Feb 07
Originally posted by KellyJayKJ: Belittle to kill, shift what we are talking about to anything outside of what the subject really is, a human life at its earliest stages.
You are a liar, I have not called anyone here a baby killer, I even corrected you when you said that ealier. As for the rest of your post, it is just your MO, you cannot deal much with people that disagree with your before you start with the insults, I guess it is in hopes to get them to lower themselves to act like you do.
Kelly
Who's the liar?
15 Feb 07
Originally posted by no1marauderYou are a liar, again show me the words, "baby killer", I'll stand corrected, or are you going to cry about not wanting to take the time to look up the time I said it, as I recall that was how you handled it the last time you lied when you said I made a claim I didn't.
KJ: Belittle to kill, shift what we are talking about to anything outside of what the subject really is, a human life at its earliest stages.
Who's the liar?
Kelly
15 Feb 07
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Originally posted by KellyJayLMFAO!!!!!! What a piece of trash you are. Read the post above.
You are a liar, again show me the words, "baby killer", I'll stand corrected, or are you going to cry about not wanting to take the time to look up the time I said it, as I recall that was how you handled it the last time you lied when you said I made a claim I didn't.
Kelly
15 Feb 07
Originally posted by no1marauderyou just attack when you have no comebacks. let me rephrase my question then, what benefit do you get from abortion?
Go away, you irrational little jerk. You "take life away" when you use mouthwash that kills the germs that cause bad breath or when you swat a mosquito.
15 Feb 07
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomI don't get any direct benefits from someone deciding to have an abortion that's why I don't care if they do or not. Indirectly, we all benefit from a society where it is recognized that individuals have a right to self-autonomy.
you just attack when you have no comebacks. let me rephrase my question then, what benefit do you get from abortion?
15 Feb 07
Originally posted by no1marauderthe word "self-autonomy" does not exist... definition of autonomy: self-directing freedom and especially moral independence. "self" is not needed since it is included in the definition of the word. so are you saying that if a woman has an abortion, she does not benefit?
I don't get any direct benefits from someone deciding to have an abortion that's why I don't care if they do or not. Indirectly, we all benefit from a society where it is recognized that individuals have a right to self-autonomy.
15 Feb 07
Originally posted by EcstremeVenomIt's needed, twerp, when you are referring to the autonomy exercised by human beings over their own bodies rather than by say, the Kurds over the autonomous regions of Iraq they control.
the word "self-autonomy" does not exist... definition of autonomy: self-directing freedom and especially moral independence. "self" is not needed since it is included in the definition of the word. so are you saying that if a woman has an abortion, she does not benefit?
It's none of mine or your business what, if any, "benefit" someone else derives from decisions that relate to their own self-autonomy.
15 Feb 07
Originally posted by KellyJayWho says I wouldn't value a fetus even in the early stages? People can place value on all sorts of things. People even have cherished rock collections, you know. If I were with a woman I loved and wanted to start a family with her, I would certainly value any fetus that formed inside her. But if she decided at some point in the early stages of pregnancy that she wanted an abortion, on what grounds could I deny her that choice? I couldn't argue against it on the basis that the fetus has a right to life because it doesn't have any rights: no thing that lacks the capacity for consciousness, the capacity to suffer and feel pain, the capacity to even hold an interest or a point of view merits rights. I may well try to convince her otherwise, but it would be her decision. And if she did abort it, the act of aborting it would not be morally wrong.
I understand you don't think that human life in and of itself isn't very important. I cannot make you value something you do not, which in this case is human life at it's earliest stages. You either care about that life or you do not, that is the bottom line. To wrap up justification beyond that is meaningless, it does not matter if you call that life a per ...[text shortened]... nd, that life can be ended and the remains flushed after the abortion, end of story.
Kelly
You be honest, too, and quit distorting my views.
15 Feb 07
Originally posted by no1maraudertell me if you can find self-autonomy in a websters dictionary. so you allow abortion to happen simply because it is none of your business? the benefits a woman gets from abortion, are the same as one gets for putting the kid up for adoption. the only difference is the kid lives in adoption, which is definitely the better choice. also, isnt "life" one of the inalienable rights? i believe that makes abortion unconstitutional.
It's needed, twerp, when you are referring to the autonomy exercised by human beings over their own bodies rather than by say, the Kurds over the autonomous regions of Iraq they control.
It's none of mine or your business what, if any, "benefit" someone else derives from decisions that relate to their own self-autonomy.
15 Feb 07
Originally posted by LemonJelloyou would allow your wife to kill your baby? she would slap you for saying that, so would your mom
Who says I wouldn't value a fetus even in the early stages? People can place value on all sorts of things. People even have cherished rock collections, you know. If I were with a woman I loved and wanted to start a family with her, I would certainly value any fetus that formed inside her. But if she decided at some point in the early stages of pregnan ...[text shortened]... aborting it would not be morally wrong.
You be honest, too, and quit distorting my views.