19 Jul 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageIt's the doctrine that "all scripture is inspired by God" taken to the extremes of "revealed word" and of course only The "right people" can say exactly which scripture is included in "all"
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Do you have any synonyms for "Pauline"?
( No Becker he's not calling you a girl (no offence if you are)).
19 Jul 05
Originally posted by frogstompOriginally posted by frogstomp
Anti-murder laws predate the bible. and that's a fact.
1850 BC: The Earliest Known Legal Decision
A clay tablet reveals the case, in 1850BC, of the murder of a temple employee by three men. The victim's wife knew of the murder but remained silent. Eventually, the crime came to light and the men and woman were charged with murder. Nine witnesses ...[text shortened]... s house but the woman was spared.
http://www.duhaime.org/Law_museum/hist.aspx#2050bc
Anti-murder laws predate the bible. and that's a fact.
CHINKING58 AGREES WITH FROGSTOMP! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!
Seeing as how God has 'written the law on the heart', yes, from the moment Adam came to life he knew it was against the law to murder. Cain became the first murderer, and he knew it was wrong.
Long before the Bible was written down, people all over the world, from earliest times, recognized that murder was wrong. Of course they did it anyway, which lead to God judging the earth
Genesis 6 (just before the flood)
11 Now the earth was corrupt in God's sight and was full of violence. 12 God saw how corrupt the earth had become, for all the people on earth had corrupted their ways
Well, Froggy and I must part somewhere and I suspect it will be here, at the mention of Paul's letter to the Romans chapter 2
14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
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19 Jul 05
Originally posted by frogstompAre you saying that Christians don't believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God?
It's the doctrine that "all scripture is inspired by God" taken to the extremes of "revealed word" and of course only The "right people" can say exactly which scripture is included in "all"
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Originally posted by dj2beckerIf you take three seconds to google "Pauline theology" your first hit will be this scholarly article--PAULINE THEOLOGY, the Origins of Christianity AND The Challenge of Q. A Personal journey. (Published in L.Padovese (ed.), Atti del V Simposio Di Tarso Su S. Paolo Apostolo, Rome, pp. 39-60)--which takes issue with efforts to reduce the influence of Paul's Christology as the dominant center of Christian doctrine. Alas, fundamentalists will find little comfort from Petros Vassiliadis, as his defense of an orthodoxy not inconsistent with the teachings of Paul leads him to advocate decentering the textual epistemology that has reigned in Christian theology since the Enlightenment.
Would you humour me and explain to me how the writtings of Paul in any way contradict the words of Christ.
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Originally posted by WulebgrSo are you also saying that Christians by definition do not believe that the entire Bible is the inspired word of God?
If you take three seconds to google "Pauline theology" your first hit will be this scholarly article--PAULINE THEOLOGY, the Origins of Christianity AND The Challenge of Q. A Personal journey. (Published in L.Padovese (ed.), Atti del V S ...[text shortened]... that has reigned in Christian theology since the Enlightenment.
19 Jul 05
Originally posted by chinking58If you think you are agreeing with me you are frightfully wrong. since the 6000 year time is approximately around the time that the Sumerian civilization started, Man had been around for quite sometime before that.
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Anti-murder laws predate the bible. and that's a fact.
CHINKING58 AGREES WITH FROGSTOMP! READ ALL ABOUT IT!!
Seeing as how God has 'written the law on the heart', yes, from the moment Adam came to life he knew it was against the law to murder. Cain became the first murderer, and he knew it was ...[text shortened]... consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.)
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and if all i had to go on was Paul not considering paganism a religion I would have to rethink my view, happily I have far more to consider to arrive at the conclusion.
the genesis quote is just putting a religious spin on a natural process.
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Originally posted by frogstompI hope you realise that your 'natural process' which has to with 'origin' is way beyond the realms of science. It is a religious spin at best. Well, come to think of it, it may well be disguised as 'science'.
If you think you are agreeing with me you are frightfully wrong. since the 6000 year time is approximately around the time that the Sumerian civilization started, Man had been around for quite sometime before ...[text shortened]... ote is just putting a religious spin on a natural process.
19 Jul 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerChristians existed before the Bible was officially ratified by the Church (you know that).
So are you also saying that Christians by definition do not believe that the entire Bible is the inspired word of God?
One can be illiterate and still a Christian (most were until the last century). One need never (gasp!) have read the so-called Word of God!
I think Christians, by definition, follow the teachings of Christ, which are not necessarily the teachings of Paul.
What was the source of Paul's authority?
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Originally posted by dj2beckerYou should understand that what true Christians understand by "inspired" differs substantially from the simplistic ideas propagated by most literalists.
So are you also saying that Christians by definition do not believe that the entire Bible is the inspired word of God?
But, instead of considering issues that you might find a bit too complex, simply do this: show me without reference to the authority of ecclesiastical authority how you can know that the texts of the New Testament are the "inspired" ones, and that the Gnostic Gospels, and other such excluded texts, are not "inspired".
I've been repeatedly asking similar questions since last December, and I have yet to receive a reply from a Christian at RHP who is able to put forth an argument for the canon of Scripture. Yet, over and over, they hold forth this particular anthology over the alternatives. If you cannot examine your assumptions, why should I waste my time arguing with you?
19 Jul 05
I wrote this for the detail thread, but it seems to pertain here a bit as well, in regards to what it means to be a Christian
If we assume that the Dali Lama is just as human as anyone else (a perfectly safe assumption of course), then we know what goes on inside him. All of his life he has felt a calling to behave a certain way; to be 'good', as it were. Sometimes it's been easy and he succeeded, but sometimes he doesn't really want to do that good thing. He'd rather do the self satisfying thing, and does. Then, being just like any of us, he has felt guilty, knowing he did something wrong.
"What to do about this feeling of guilt?" Try to cover it with religious actions? Try to believe it doesn't really exist (it's just an illusion, forced on me by my culture!)? Or maybe admit, based on the conviction my heart imposes on me, that I am imperfect and need help from outside myself, that I need forgiveness in fact.
When someone, anyone, comes to that point, Christ (the spirit of Christ Himself) makes Himself known to that person, forgives that person, and at that point, He is a Christ one; a 'Christian'. No conversion to any particular denomination, no liturgical ceremony, no cultural conditions must be met, no physical actions at all are required.
Most often some changes will follow such a heart conversion; people begin to recognize and admit that more and more of their life can be improved upon, and more freedom from what they now know as sin can be gained.
Eventually, such a person may somehow learn about the doctrines of Christianity as they have been experienced by others for centuries. If they do, they will only come to know more fully about the Christ th
19 Jul 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerThat's another of your distortions .. I told you that by the time I got halfway through reading Joshua it was clear that The OT was not God inspired.
He would not know that. He has only read up to half the book of Joshua.
And told you to seek the word of the kingdom. which you wont find in the OT.
Jeez ,,, dj do you take EVERYTHING as literal ??????????
19 Jul 05
Originally posted by chinking58If you continued beyond this point, I was unable to read it. The arrogance in your assumptions was so profound and far reaching that I was momentarily disabled.
I wrote this for the detail thread, but it seems to pertain here a bit as well, in regards to what it means to be a Christian
If we assume that the Dali Lama is just as human as anyone else (a perfectly safe assumption of course), then we know what goes on inside him.