20 Jul 05
Originally posted by frogstompSo automatically if someone does not like abortions in your opinion
Any spin you try to put on it Kelly, it's still trying to establish a religious state. We had them before ask Martin Luther even John Calvin or any other religious guy that didn't agree with the State Religion... better still ask the Pilgrams or the old women Cotton Mather burnt at the stake.
Read a Mayan book or two...oops ...[text shortened]... draw the line is not letting the government into religion or religion into the laws.
that is the same as setting up a religious state! I was under the
impression that Congress was the one that was limited not the
people, but I guess as long as the state has the thought police around
like you, they can forbid any non-approved ideas, least the state
has someone it disagrees with. Tell me have you always had the
ability to know when someone tells you something you can just
know they are liars?
Kelly
20 Jul 05
Originally posted by KellyJayno. Congress and the state governments are probitited by the Constitution. Nobody said you can't have a religious opinion, but you can't use government power to enforce it.
So automatically if someone does not like abortions in your opinion
that is the same as setting up a religious state! I was under the
impression that Congress was the one that was limited not the
people, but I guess as long as the state has the thought police around
like you, they can forbid any non-approved ideas, least the state
has someone it disagr ...[text shortened]... the
ability to know when someone tells you something you can just
know they are liars?
Kelly
The only reason I post in this thread is to defend the US Constitution's Bill of rights (thats another term you won't find in the body of the Constitution). The same provision that protects your religion protects everybody else's religion , even if they don't have one or have many that they follow. it also protects the press and speech.
and Kelly, I've refrained from attacking you, but if you continue to misrepresent what my position is and use obnoxious terms like "thought police" I won't continue to hold back, it's up to you if you want a civilized debate or a gutter battle.
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20 Jul 05
Originally posted by frogstompSo how would you judge what a religion is?
no. Congress and the state governments are probitited by the Constitution. Nobody said you can't have a religious opinion, but you can't use government power to enforce it.
The only reason I post in this thread is to defend the US Constitution's Bill of rights (thats another term you won't find in the body of the Constitut ...[text shortened]... ntinue to hold back, it's up to you if you want a civilized debate or a gutter battle.
20 Jul 05
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Originally posted by frogstompIsn't astrology a religion by that definition? (1)
try 2 dictionary definition:
1) a strong belief in a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny
2) institution to express belief in a divine power
Dictionary definitions are usually useful, but either too generalistic or too restrictive.
Edit: Having said this, I think a secular religion is an oxymoron.
20 Jul 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerYes. It makes any activity pursued with zeal a religion. When I polish my shoes with extra attention, am I being religious?
It sure is.
Religion: A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
www.dictionary.com
That sure makes secular humanism a religion.
20 Jul 05
Originally posted by dj2beckerBack to literal versus relative again?
So you will just ignore no. 4?
My dog religiously asks to be taken for a walk when nature calls , now it doesn't matter what religious tenets I hold about God creating a balance in nature, secular laws force me to "properly" dispose of Fido's offering to the gods.
20 Jul 05
Originally posted by PalynkaI would guess astrology has some aspects of religion. Viewed in conjunction with other purely mystical beliefs which are in opposition to rational thought, I guess one would have to consider it a religion.
Isn't astrology a religion by that definition? (1)
Dictionary definitions are usually useful, but either too generalistic or too restrictive.
Edit: Having said this, I think a secular religion is an oxymoron.
20 Jul 05
Originally posted by frogstompWhere in anything I have said at any time, in any conversation on
no. Congress and the state governments are probitited by the Constitution. Nobody said you can't have a religious opinion, but you can't use government power to enforce it.
The only reason I post in this thread is to defend the US Constitution's Bill of rights (thats another term you won't find in the body of the Constitut ...[text shortened]... ntinue to hold back, it's up to you if you want a civilized debate or a gutter battle.
RHP, have you ever seen me say anything about using the
government to push for my views on abortion to be passed into law?
If you cannot show that than I submit to you that your prejudice is
showing.
The only reason I post in this thread is to defend the US Constitution's Bill of rights (thats another term you won't find in the body of the Constitution).
Okay, so what we have here is that you are accusing me of attempting
to use the government to change the laws on abortion! Even though I
have not at anytime in this or any other conversation I have ever had
on RHP asked that for the government to do that. On top of that you
are claiming to be a defender of the Constitution; however, the thing
that you are defending is not even found in the Constitution. You see
any flaws in your position yet?
Kelly