abortion

Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
Yes but if god does not need a cause you dont need one either.

Your grasp of logic leaves a lot to be desired. I rest my case. Bbarr? Scribs? Anybody?

Originally posted by dj2becker
The difference is that he and you and me are not eternal, thus we need a cause.

The matter you are made of is eternal.

Originally posted by Halitose
Your grasp of logic leaves a lot to be desired. I rest my case. Bbarr? Scribs? Anybody?

What do you mean by that?

Its logical that if you think we need to be created somehow you would think the same of this god who created us. Thus a god explains nothing...

Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
The matter you are made of is eternal.

Oh yea?? How do you know this?

It is a matter of faith. You believe matter is eternal and I believe God is eternal.

Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
What do you mean by that?

I meant that there are certain fundamental concepts accepted without the need of a cause. Why can't God be one of them?

Originally posted by dj2becker
Oh yea?? How do you know this?

It is a matter of faith. You believe matter is eternal and I believe God is eternal.

No its not, I only think its very likely that matter is eternal. I do not claim to know this.

Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
No its not, I only think its very likely that matter is eternal. I do not claim to know this.

Maybe then you should have said, "I think the matter you are made of is sternal...

Originally posted by dj2becker
Maybe then you should have said, "I [b]think the matter you are made of is sternal...[/b]

yup😉

Originally posted by princessleah
God is was and always will be , he was always here

And you're proof is?

Yeah, right, bible word of cod, blah blah blah claptrap

Originally posted by dj2becker
Oh yea?? How do you know this?

It is a matter of faith. You believe matter is eternal and I believe God is eternal.

Well, at least we can be very certain that matter exists so LotC still has one up on you.

Originally posted by telerion
I support the right for a woman to have an abortion, and not for any one of the reasons you listed.

I suggest going back to one of the major discussions of abortion on this board. I haven't been able to find the thread though. Anybody?

Why do you support the right to an abortion?

Originally posted by LordOfTheChessboard
but who created god?

From my point of view God was created by the people who could not understand the creation of the universe. They did not have any tools we have now to look into things (like star constelation, like the human body, like atoms and molecules)

beside, they had to make social roles in order to live each other, and they had to create a superpower to enforce those rules.

all the other are stories to make it interesting...

make sense?

Originally posted by danidin
From my point of view God was created by the people who could not understand the creation of the universe. They did not have any tools we have now to look into things (like star constelation, like the human body, like atoms and molecules)

beside, they had to make social roles in order to live each other, and they had to create a superpower to enforce those rules.

all the other are stories to make it interesting...

make sense?

make sense?

Nope...

Originally posted by Halitose
[b]make sense?

Nope...[/b]

Well, why do you call God "he" why not "she"?

from my point of view we have to say "it" when ever we speak about him/her

make sense?

Originally posted by Halitose
IMO life starts at conception. From the moment you have a zygote, genetically its another human and worthy of life. Its an immature human and only needs time and nutrition to develop into a fully functioning and self-aware individual.

Science defines a cell as the smallest form of life, so from a scientific perspective this is correct.