14 Nov 05
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Originally posted by ivanhoeYour post on this page:
You should be very carefull with your accusations, marauder. You have a very nasty habit of accusing people of lying.
[b]Marauder: " .... to deliberately create a false impression is the same as lying. "
What exactly is that "false impression" and where did I create that ? Quotes please ![/b]
Marauder in a previous post: " Instead you rely of some secret "Groninger Protocols" which seem to exist only in the mind of you and others who .... "
Marauder: " That the Groningen Protocols exist is undisputed; "
(Ivanhoe) What made you change your mind so quickly ?
Got it?
The version of the "Groningen Protocols" that you are claiming, without proof, exist are ones saying that handicapped children can be killed even though they are not in "Schiavo" like situations. The description of the Groningen Protocols that I found last year say no such thing. It is very difficult to find the same articles now; when I do a search for Groningen Protocols I gave page after page of rightwing websites and blogs. But I'll try to find it AGAIN.
14 Nov 05
Originally posted by no1marauderIf you are so interested in the truth as you are claiming all the time, maybe you can help to find it.
It must also be a case where the child was merely severely handicapped as it is Ivanhoe's claim that children who are severely handicapped are being euthanized. Don't give me a Schiavo-type case with an irreversible coma or no brain please.
Until now I am only able to find links in Dutch language about the factual killing of handicapped young borns (Spina bifida). Maybe you can find links in English on pages you do not find "hysterical" or "biased".
14 Nov 05
Originally posted by no1marauderThere isn't a difference between the real existing Groninger Protocols and what you claim I invented. I did not invent anything, marauder.
Your post on this page:
Marauder in a previous post: " Instead you rely of some secret "Groninger Protocols" which seem to exist only in the mind of you and others who .... "
Marauder: " That the Groningen Protocols exist is undisputed; "
(Ivanhoe) What made you change your mind so quickly ?
Got it?
The version of the ...[text shortened]... rotocols I gave page after page of rightwing websites and blogs. But I'll try to find it AGAIN.
14 Nov 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageIf you read the legislation Bosse, there is no severe penalty for deviating from the guidelines. There is no blind eye to turn. The doctors would simply recieve the proverbial rap on the knuckles...
Seems the doctors are doing it illegally, although the public prosecutor is turning a blind eye.
14 Nov 05
Originally posted by HalitoseNo, it's not a moot point at all. Here we have LOTC claiming that taking a morning after pill--eliminating a zygote--is murder. If that counts as abortion, surely most occur before 40 days (where did you get the statistic from?). So, are you ok with abortion before 40 days or not.
Many if not most abortions are done after 40 days, so its a moot point IMO.
14 Nov 05
Originally posted by HalitoseI'm not at all comfortable with what these doctors are doing. It deserves a thread of its own.
If you read the legislation Bosse, there is no severe penalty for deviating from the guidelines. There is no blind eye to turn. The doctors would simply recieve the proverbial rap on the knuckles...
14 Nov 05
Originally posted by Bosse de NageI meant abortion as a medical procedure. As I have stated so many times before, the development of the unborn child is so gradual that you can't say for sure at 39 days that the child has no brainwaves, it differs with each one. Have you read any my posts? I'm sure you'll find all my arguments there.
No, it's not a moot point at all. Here we have LOTC claiming that taking a morning after pill--eliminating a zygote--is murder. If that counts as abortion, surely most occur before 40 days (where did you get the statistic from?). So, are you ok with abortion before 40 days or not.