Absolutes or relativism

@chaney3 said
the creator can change the laws of physics.

Where did you get the information from that you base this assertion on?

@chaney3 said
You are incorrect in many ways.

You are putting human limitations where they don't belong.

What other information do we have about a possible creator being other than the laws of physics?

@fmf said
What other information do we have about a possible creator being other than the laws of physics?

If a 'creator being' created the laws of physics, then that same being can alter those same laws.

It's only logical.

@chaney3 said
If a 'creator being' created the laws of physics, then that same being can alter those same laws.

I realize that this is your belief, but I find the idea that the 'creator being' and 'the laws of physics' are one in the same to be more credible.

'The laws of physics' are not "laws" per se but are instead descriptions of the reality of the universe.

If the reality of the universe is something that was in fact created, then 'the laws of physics' represent the reality of the creator being and his work.

If the creator being is real, then 'the laws of physics' describe the reality of creation and therefore provide the evidence that establishes that he is real.

The notion that a creator being can do anything or whatever humans can imagine he can do does not strike me as persuasive or credible.

Such credibility as there is ~ with regard to the existence of a creator being ~ is derived from 'the laws of physics', to my way of thinking, speculative as I admit it is.

@kellyjay said
We know that there are no absolute truths, it is the truth we know is absolutely true.

You of course mean your (absolute) truth, as it pertains to your interpretation of words written in the bible.

@divegeester said
You of course mean your (absolute) truth, as it pertains to your interpretation of words written in the bible.

KellyJay has frequently talked about how "absolute truth", applicable to everybody, is encountered when his personal opinions about the universe coincide with his personal opinions about religion. That's how he decides what the objective "north star" is for everyone else.

@caissad4 said
There is only one absolute in the universe .

If that is what you think then it seems that others here disagree since the number of absolutes has at least risen to two, and I'm sure it will climb.

@kellyjay said
If that is what you think then it seems that others here disagree since the number of absolutes has at least risen to two, and I'm sure it will climb.

How has "the number of absolutes at least risen to two"?

What are you using as your definition of "absolutes"?

@kellyjay said
If that is what you think then it seems that others here disagree since the number of absolutes has at least risen to two, and I'm sure it will climb.

Here’s an absolute truth for you...

When intellectually cornered you feign indignation and run away. You then ignore the poster for long enough such that the point in question becomes buried and forgotten.

Rinse and repeat.

@divegeester said
Rinse and repeat.

I don't think KellyJay has a notion of "absolutes" beyond his belief that his own personal opinions are not personal opinions but are instead "absolute truths". He doesn't seem to want to discuss the topic he has raised.

@fmf said
I agree. If there is a "creator being", then the laws of physics are presumably the manifestation of his nature and capacity ~ as well as the reality that he has created.

That is the only 'horn' upon which one would self-implale - Euthyphro's Dilemma.

@chaney3 said
Agreed, but the creator can change the laws of physics.

You see ... that is where I see your small-mindnessness.

The Creator would NEVER change his own perfect laws of Physics.

@kellyjay said
If that is what you think then it seems that others here disagree since the number of absolutes has at least risen to two, and I'm sure it will climb.

You are repeatedly wrong . There is only one absolute in the universe .

@bigdoggproblem said
You see ... that is where I see your small-mindnessness.

The Creator would NEVER change his own perfect laws of Physics.

Are they really “laws” though?

I often read about places in the universe “where the laws of physics don’t apply/operate”. Black holes for example.

@caissad4 said
You are repeatedly wrong . There is only one absolute in the universe .

What’s that, “blackness”?