Age of Earth - Thousands Not Billions

Originally posted by RJHinds
This is why you atheists will be defeated. There are too many lazy atheists like you. 😏

If I ever get to be part of a societal elite you're damn straight I'm cashing in.

Originally posted by RJHinds
This is why you atheists will be defeated. There are too many lazy atheists like you. 😏

Come on RJ! You guys focus on ONE source of information, the bible! Atheists use far more sources of information, and you call us lazy?😕

Originally posted by sonship
RJHinds, If you purport that

1. Receding Moon ... 750 m.y.a. max, Or "is unspecified"
2. Oil Pressure ... 5,000 - 10,000 years, Or "is unspecified"
3. The Sun ... 1,000,000 years max, Or "is unspecified"
4. The Oldest Living Thing ... 4,900 years max, Or "is unspecified"
5. Helium in the Atmosphere ... 1,750,000 years max, ...[text shortened]... ness, and darkness was on the face of the deep." (v.2) could also be UNSPECIFIED ?[/b]

You must have added ... Or "is unspecified"

I do not see that on the reference.

Originally posted by RJHinds
You must have added ... [b]Or "is unspecified"

I do not see that on the reference.[/b]

Let me explain then. Everywhere you gave a general range or a possible maximum counts as "unspecified".

IE.

1. Receding Moon ... 750 m.y.a. max, Or "is unspecified"
2. Oil Pressure ... 5,000 - 10,000 years, Or "is unspecified"

If you notice carefully, I did not include those points in which you were specific. There were perhaps two or maybe three.

Similarly the time lapse between what we're told in Genesis 1:1 and verses 2 many us likewise regard as "unspecified."

Originally posted by OdBod
Come on RJ! You guys focus on ONE source of information, the bible! Atheists use far more sources of information, and you call us lazy?😕

We actually consider many sources of information. We just believe they all should agree with the Holy Bible. 😏

Originally posted by RJHinds
We actually consider many sources of information. We just believe they all should agree with the Holy Bible. 😏

Just ONE source - the Revelation of the Holy Bible, leaves the length of the lapse between verse 1 and verse 2 as unspecified.

That's my point.

By the way, as noted before, the Hebrew for the first day mentioned in chapter 1 says " one day ".

Strictly speaking " one day " (Genesis 1:5) does not have to be the FIRST day ever to exist. It is just "one day" (Genesis 1:5).

From verse 8 on we have "a second day" (v.8) ... "a third day" (v.13) ... "a fourth day" (v.19) ... "a fifth day" (v.23) ... "the sixth day" (v. 31) ... "the seventh day" (v.2).

This could well be understood as counting a Nth day or the Nth day from " ONE day " (v.5) . The beginning of the counting of days is from "one day".

This does not insist that in the universe NO day ever existed before, especially before " ... But the earth became waste and emptiness, and darkness was on the face of the deep." (2:2)

And nothing about this kind of understanding violates Exodus 20:11 - "For in six days Jehovah made [asah] heaven and earth, the sea and all that is in them."

Originally posted by sonship
Let me explain then. Everywhere you gave a general range or a possible maximum counts as "unspecified".

IE.

1. Receding Moon ... 750 m.y.a. max, Or "is unspecified"
2. Oil Pressure ... 5,000 - 10,000 years, Or "is unspecified"

If you notice carefully, I did not include those points in which you were specific. T ...[text shortened]... t we're told in [b]Genesis 1:1 and verses 2 many us likewise regard as "unspecified."[/b]

I don't regard them as "unspecified" when they give a limiting value.

Likewise the time lapse from the beginning in Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 1:5 is limted to one day of an evening and morning as recorded in Genesis 1:5.

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

(Genesis 1:5 KJV)

Originally posted by RJHinds

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

A better translation -

"And God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day" (v.5 Recovery Version)

Who concurs?

New American Standard Bible
God called the light day, and the darkness He called night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

American Standard Version
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

The 1901 ASV "American Standard Version" has a reputation of being a "wooden" translation, meaning it will sacrifice smooth sounding English sometimes in favor of getting closer to what the Hebrew or Greek said.

Also concurring on Genesis 1:5 being "one day" are:

Douay-Rheims Bible
And he called the light Day, and the darkness Night; and there was evening and morning one day.

English Revised Version
And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

World English Bible
God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." There was evening and there was morning, one day.

Young's Literal Translation
and God calleth to the light 'Day,' and to the darkness He hath called 'Night;' and there is an evening, and there is a morning -- day one.

To be fair a number read "first day".
I am going with what I think is what a more accurate rendering - that was one day.

RJHinds,

So you do believe that the first thing God created was darkness ?

He had to have created darkness before He could say "Let there be light."

Let me ask you this. First John 1:5 says "And this is the message which we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all."

In Him is no darkness at all. Does it seem strange to you that the first thing in existence out from the God in whom is no darkness at all, is darkness ?

You know that Jesus said

English Standard Version
The good person out of his good treasure brings forth good, and the evil person out of his evil treasure brings forth evil.

God looked at the light and called it good -

"And God saw the light was good, and God separated the light from the darkness." (Gen. 1:4)

Why do you think it does not say that God saw the darkness that IT was good?

Does it seem odd to you that the first thing the God who dwells in unapproachable light and in whom there is no darkness at all, created darkness first ?

First Timothy 6:16

Holman Christian Standard Bible
the only One who has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light; no one has seen or can see Him, to Him be honor and eternal might. Amen.

Yet you teach that God created darkness first and then created light by saying "Let there be light". He saw the LIGHT was good. But I am curious that it didn't say that He first saw the darkness that it was good.

Comment on this.

Originally posted by sonship
Just ONE source - the Revelation of the Holy Bible, leaves the length of the lapse between verse 1 and verse 2 as unspecified.

That's my point.

By the way, as noted before, the Hebrew for the first day mentioned in chapter 1 says [b]" one day ".

Strictly speaking " one day " (Genesis 1:5) does not have to be the FIRST day ever to ex ...[text shortened]... - "For in six days Jehovah made [asah] heaven and earth, the sea and all that is in them." [/b][/b]

To me "first day" is more consistent with "second day, third day, etc." Or one could say "day one, day two, day three, etc." to remain consistent. Honestly, I do not get the point of your objection to the KJV translation, for it would make no difference in the meaning if the days are described as "first day, second day, third day, etc." or "day one, day two, day three, etc." in my opinion. We are still counting six days of creation plus a seventh day of rest.

I do not see that there is a need to specify a certain part of the day between verse 1 and verse 2 when the convention in the text of Genesis 1 is to count the days at each day's completion and not state the time that has elapsed between verses. Nor does it state the day at the beginning of each day of creation as you claim, because it specifically includes the morning and the evening of each creation day.

Also all the translations I see have "was" instead of "became". However, even if it were "became" which it is not, does not require any extra time to be included between those verses. Verses 1 through 5 could have been completed in one day just like the text says.

Originally posted by sonship
RJHinds,

So you do believe that the first thing God created was darkness ?

He had to have created darkness before He could say [b]"Let there be light."

Let me ask you this. First John 1:5 says "And this is the message which we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all." ...[text shortened]... ious that it didn't say that He first saw the darkness that it was good.

Comment on this.[/b]

There is no indication that God created the darkness. The way I see it, the darkness was already there while God was creating the heavens and the earth. The presence of the darkness seems to me the reason God called on the light before He completed His work on the heavens and earth.

Originally posted by RJHinds
There is no indication that God created the darkness. The way I see it, the darkness was already there while God was creating the heavens and the earth. The presence of the darkness seems to me the reason God called on the light before He completed His work on the heavens and earth.

In spite of your monkey screams about a 6000 year old Earth, the Earth is actually 4+billion years old and the moon came about because a mars sized planet whacked Earth early on, maybe 150 million years after Earth coalesced
into a planet and recent analysis of moon rocks brought back by Apollo astronauts shows that clearly.

Genesis is the first science fiction short story.

Originally posted by sonhouse
In spite of your monkey screams about a 6000 year old Earth, the Earth is actually 4+billion years old and the moon came about because a mars sized planet whacked Earth early on, maybe 150 million years after Earth coalesced
into a planet and recent analysis of moon rocks brought back by Apollo astronauts shows that clearly.

Genesis is the first science fiction short story.

Earth is 6000 years old

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Originally posted by RJHinds
There is no indication that God created the darkness. The way I see it, the darkness was already there while God was creating the heavens and the earth. The presence of the darkness seems to me the reason God called on the light before He completed His work on the heavens and earth.

Would you then say that there are exceptions to this statement?

"All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not one thing came into being which has come into being." (John 1:3)

Would you say that the darkness of Genesis 1:2 is one thing that came into being apart from God ?

How do you feel about Isaiah 45:7 ?

"He who forms the light and creates darkness, He who makes peace and creates evil, I am Jehovah who makes all these things."

RJ:

The presence of the darkness seems to me the reason God called on the light before He completed His work on the heavens and earth.

Exodus 20:11 says that in six days Jehovah made [asah] the heavens and the earth and all that is in them.

"For in six days Jehovah made heaven and earth, the sea and all that is in them, ..." (Exo. 20:11a)

Do you hold that the darkness was something of the collection of things which comprise "all things which are in them" [heaven and earth]? Or do you think -

1.) "all things which are in them" excludes the darkness? Or

2.) God was wrong to say He "creates darkness" (Isaiah 45:7) ?

Originally posted by sonship
Would you then say that there are exceptions to this statement?

[b]"All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not one thing came into being which has come into being." (John 1:3)

Would you say that the darkness of Genesis 1:2 is one thing that came into being apart from God ?

How do you feel about Isaiah 45:7 ?

...[text shortened]... des the darkness? Or

2.) God was wrong to say He "creates darkness" (Isaiah 45:7) ?[/b]

As I see it, darkness is a condition. However, I suppose by dividing the light from the darkness one could say God creates light and darkness as well as good and evil. I just don't normally think of peace and evil as things. They seem to me to be more like states of being or conditions rather than things. Perhaps it could have been translated more clearly.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
(Isaiah 45:7 KJV)