@sonship saidActually since you were so concise in your point without trying to flood the conversation with nonsense I will respond to you.
This is basically a thread on Universalism.
This thread is about Paul's explanation on the purpose of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. What was the purpose and who benefitted. So the references in the opening post tell a story, which many like you rather ignore because it would appear that .... the free gift came upon ALL MEN unto justification of life.... not Christians only which is the Christian mantra for decades on this forum..
There are several references that support this, and I notice that you too, whose mouth is in every thread, is staying away from the meat of this topic and only posting side issues and irrelevant comments ... and I expect that will continue.
Are you Christians afraid to take me on ? Are you afraid your church doctrine will fail like a deck of cards? Im waiting and I have more ammunition.
@sonship saidYes, everybody is fedup with how you flood many threads with rubbish. I cannot see how that can escape you. But then again you are OSAS Christian so it makes sense. I never said, neither implied anything about universalism.
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So you like me being concise.
So in the same book, Romans chapter 5, your same chapter where Paul says "we will be saved through Him from the wrath" (v.9) Paul errs in that there will be no wrath?
If Universalism is true then there will be no wrath. Is that the case?
The point of this thread was stated pretty clearly about 5 times. The fact that you did not address the point means you are conceding that your church teachings are flawed.
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@rajk999 saidSince the only source of truth you recognize is your own opinion and the only Jesus you recognize is the one of your own making, why would anyone concern themselves with your high opinion of yourself? You don’t acknowledge corrections when scripture clearly contradicts you.
Actually since you were so concise in your point without trying to flood the conversation with nonsense I will respond to you.
This thread is about Paul's explanation on the purpose of the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. What was the purpose and who benefitted. So the references in the opening post tell a story, which many like you rather ignore because it would a ...[text shortened]... afraid your church doctrine will fail like a deck of cards? Im waiting and I have more ammunition.
@kellyjay saidThank you for proving my point. So far not one single Christian can comment on this little fact that ..
Since the only source of truth you recognize is your own opinion and the only Jesus you recognize is the one of your own making, why would anyone concern themselves with your high opinion of yourself? You don’t acknowledge corrections when scripture clearly contradicts you.
the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life...
I just love it when I have you three dunces sonship, Kj and PB1002, in a corner. The free gift of justification of life came upon ALL PEOPLE. So your boast that you are saved and justified and sanctified etc etc applies to all people.
@eladar saidI never said anything about who will be saved or not, whether it is most or all or some. Never said a word about that. The word 'saved' is very misleading and people use that word indiscriminately. Saved does not always mean eternal life. One needs to look at the context before applying a meaning.
Rajk simply believes Jesus is a liar when Jesus claimed most men will not be saved
When Jesus said most will not be saved he meant not given eternal life.
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Yes, everybody is fedup with how you flood many threads with rubbish. I cannot see how that can escape you. But then again you are OSAS Christian so it makes sense. I never said, neither implied anything about universalism.
The point of this thread was stated pretty clearly about 5 times. The fact that you did not address the point means you are conceding that your church teachings are flawed.
You did not answer my simple question.
Just see if you can not answer another matter but THIS matter that I ask
about.
In the same chapter in verse 9 it says " . . . we will be saved through Him from the wrath." . If there is universal saving of everyone who has ever lived, that means there will BE no "the wrath", Right ?
I am not interested in embarrassing anyone. I am interested in the truth.
I will accept as an answer "That is difficult for me to answer now."
Otherwise what would you say ? Or tell me how the question is wrong.
You SAID -
Contrary to what many Christians post here, the bible states that the free gift of eternal life came upon ALL, the whole world, all are justified and saved by the death of Christ,
@sonship saidI did not say there is a universal saving [meaning eternal life] of everyone. You chose not the address the point in the opening post and then decided to throw questions at me. That is not going to work. Maybe you do not know how to carry on a discussion. Address the opening post and then I will address your questions.
@Rajk999Yes, everybody is fedup with how you flood many threads with rubbish. I cannot see how that can escape you. But then again you are OSAS Christian so it makes sense. I never said, neither implied anything about universalism.
The point of this thread was stated pretty clearly about 5 times. The fact that you did not address the point means you are conceding ...[text shortened]... al life came upon ALL, the whole world, all are justified and saved by the death of Christ,
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I have before spoken to the different conotations of the word "saved" or "salvation".
But you did write this [my bolding]
Contrary to what many Christians post here, the bible states that the free gift of eternal life came upon ALL, the whole world, all are justified and saved by the death of Christ,
Then there will be no "the wrath" if all are justified. Right?
28 Dec 21
@sonship saidAll people are justified and saved by the death of Christ. ALL. There are no exceptions. But
@Rajk999
I have before spoken to the different conotations of the word "saved" or "salvation".
But you did write this [my bolding]Contrary to what many Christians post here, the bible states that the free gift of eternal life came upon ALL, the whole world, all are justified and saved by the death of Christ,
Then there will be no "the wrath" if all are justified. Right?
All Christians do not get to reign with Christ
All people do not get to enter the Kingdom of God
Christ saved everybody and justified everybody.
Everybody is not worthy of eternal life
Some, both Christians and others are worthy of damnation
There is therefore wrath to come.
Dont ask me again.
So far you still have not addressed what the opening post is saying.