All or nothing

Originally posted by Rajk999
Good point. Good works are therefore always the work of God, even when it is done by those without law.

That's certainly how I read it.

Originally posted by dj2becker
I edited my post all you have to reply with is A, B or C.

My question still stands:
Did you really not understand the parts about "ceas[ing to] spew the same mindless knee-jerk questions and statements" and "making untrue assertions"?

Originally posted by dj2becker
He died for all people but all people do not believe in Him, He died that [b]whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. Believing in Him is the first step, the good works follow later. You are putting the cart before the horse as usual.[/b]

Belief is with the heart and not the mouth.
Belief with the mouth causes you boast that you are saved .. like some here
Belief with the heart causes you do good works, quietly and God sees and will reward you .
Christ has no interest in the former group.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
That's certainly how I read it.

I have to add those verses and connection to my arsenal. 😀

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I was thinking about the follow on from Romans 2:14-15 to John 3:21:

"Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the Law, do by nature what the Law requires etc etc" and, "But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

Over and over in several different ways I told you no one do to that verse is declared righteous, it is simply pointing out that they know right from wrong. As soon as they sin they are sinners, unless you think any are with out sin on their own?

Originally posted by KellyJay
Over and over in several different ways I told you no one do to that verse is declared righteous, it is simply pointing out that they know right from wrong. As soon as they sin they are sinners, unless you think any are with out sin on their own?

Still ignoring the following, I see:
1 John 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
10In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

Originally posted by dj2becker
All the books that are in the Bible now when I open it, if God wanted more or less of them in there He would have seen to it.

Depends which bible you have in front of you.
(And I'm not just talking about translation problems)
Different Bibles have different collections of Books.

You choose to only believe "the one in front of you"
What if your neighbours bible has one less Book?
Or one more?

Originally posted by Rajk999
I have to add those verses and connection to my arsenal. 😀

Splendid. 🙂

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
My question still stands:
Did you really not understand the parts about "ceas[ing to] spew the same mindless knee-jerk questions and statements" and "making untrue assertions"?

So answer my question then and tell me which assertions are untrue.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Belief is with the heart and not the mouth.
Belief with the mouth causes you boast that you are saved .. like some here
Belief with the heart causes you do good works, quietly and God sees and will reward you .
Christ has no interest in the former group.

You seem to be the only one claiming that people believe with their mouths, never heard that from anyone else.

Originally posted by dj2becker
You seem to be the only one claiming that people believe with their mouths, never heard that from anyone else.

You seem to be the one avoiding questions.

You started this thread - forum etiquette dictates
you at least try and answer relevant questions put to you.

Originally posted by wolfgang59
You seem to be the one avoiding questions.

You started this thread - forum etiquette dictates
you at least try and answer relevant questions put to you.

Should I answer them in order asked or ignore everyone else and answer you first ?

Originally posted by wolfgang59
Depends which bible you have in front of you.
(And I'm not just talking about translation problems)
Different Bibles have different collections of Books.

You choose to only believe "the one in front of you"
What if your neighbours bible has one less Book?
Or one more?

Give me an example of a Bible with one less or more book me tell me how exactly it changes the entire message of the Bible.

Originally posted by Rajk999
You really do not understand the Bible. Here is a little multiple choice.

Who did Jesus die for:
a. Himself?
b. Christians.?
c. Only Good People?
d. All people?

You think its b. But its d. ALL PEOPLE. So nobody has to get into the Kingdom on their own merit. Christ died for all people, so whosoever does his will, can get eternal life.

You have just dodged my question and asked a question of your own. Is your answer to my question yes or no?

My question was
Rajk and ThinkOfOne:

Are you saying that some people are good enough on their own to merit entry into the kingdom of heaven based solely on their own works and efforts? Yes or No?

Neither of you have given me a straight answer.

Originally posted by dj2becker
You seem to be the only one claiming that people believe with their mouths, never heard that from anyone else.

Jesus spoke of some professed faithful Christians who believe with their mouths.
The fact that you have never come across it is of no relevance here.