27 Jan 07
Originally posted by 111sunAs long as you're going to quote the Bible, you may as well throw this one in ..
Homosexuality is undoubtedly a crime against nature. The evidence is in the Bible: "thou shall not lie down with a man as thou does with a woman." There fore I believe it is a sin, as it is clearly outlined as one.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Get that telephonepole out of your own eye before you worry about the speck in someone elses.
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by NordlysRom. 1:24,27
Maybe you should talk to one of them. As I am not Christian myself, I don't care all that much about their reasons, but if a priest who used to be against homosexuality changes his or her mind after years of struggling with the issue, as this soon-to-be-bishop and another Norwegian priest I know of did, I am sure they have good reasons.
Wherefore God gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; ....
Lust is the reason. And that is not good. If you don't know that then you are lying to yourself.
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by jammerNo. 1 is the most used verse in the Bible. It means judging a person, not a belief.
Judge not, lest ye be judged.
Get that telephonepole out of your own eye before you worry about the speck in someone elses.[/b]
No. 2 has to do with, say, if I were homosexual (which I'm not) and were telling you that homosexuality was wrong.
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by AcemasterI, along with most others, take it at face value. Nobody should judge lest they be judged themselves.
No. 1 is the most used verse in the Bible. It means judging a person, not a belief.
No. 2 has to do with, say, if I were homosexual (which I'm not) and were telling you that homosexuality was wrong.
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by dj2beckerIs that what I said? No.
So you mean to say that nobody should speak out about sin?
I said you dont judge me about my beliefs, and I wont judge you about yours.
You can speak out about homosexuality all you want (I will admit that I am somewhat of a homophobe), just dont judge John Doe because he is gay.
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27 Jan 07
Originally posted by Wayne1324I absolutely agree that the sinner should be loved, but the sin itself should be hated.
Is that what I said? No.
I said you dont judge me about my beliefs, and I wont judge you about yours.
You can speak out about homosexuality all you want (I will admit that I am somewhat of a homophobe), just dont judge John Doe because he is gay.
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by 111sunThe difficulty with labelling homosexuality as a sin is that the scientific evidence is starting to point towards the idea that homosexuality is a biological phenomenon. Research into testosterone and its role in flooding the foetus in the womb has shown string links with sexual development. There's a huge amount that can be said on this but suffice it to say that I think in our lifetimes it may be that science will show homosexuality to be akin to other biological development problems (such as chimera and dual genitalia etc etc).
It would seem that after I brought up this topic, only Acemaster has been capable of any rational thought. Otherwise I don't see how anyone can contradict me (or the bible).
I used to think of it as a sin but now I have completely reversed this idea . I think the church will be on its back heels for decades to come on this and once it is shown to be biological then how can it be a sin? It would be like saying a disabled person is a sinner.
One thing for you to think about is this. Do you feel your hetersexuality is a life choice? If you "chose" to could you start to find the same sex attractive just by choosing? If not then that suggests hetersexuality is biologically determined. So why not homosexuality? I know for myself that I am heterosexual by nature , I couldn't change it if I wanted. That's how most gay people feel.
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27 Jan 07
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Originally posted by knightmeisterI would love to see this research. Interesting that I know many ex-homosexuals that have confessed their sin and have been set free from their homosexual inclinations.
The difficulty with labelling homosexuality as a sin is that the scientific evidence is starting to point towards the idea that homosexuality is a biological phenomenon. Research into testosterone and its role in flooding the foetus in the womb has shown string links with sexual development. There's a huge amount that can be said on this but suffice it heterosexual by nature , I couldn't change it if I wanted. That's how most gay people feel.
See: http://www.cwfa.org/images/content/bornorbred.pdf
27 Jan 07
Originally posted by AcemasterCareful. If you're going to go for the whole "the creation story is a factual account" thing, then eventually someone on this forum will mention something about sheep being created before Eve, and the who thing could just get ugly.
The way I see it, God created Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. (snip)